'Exorcism' victim Wins Compensation
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It's not just derision, it's worse. It's gleeful, childish, ignorant and uninformed derision. It's disgusting behaviour.
I think I've only mentioned my faith (when it was relevant) once before on this forum, so I don't force it on anyone or hold a 'holier than thou' attitude.
The utter lack of respect, the stereotyping and just plain rudeness has really bothered me today. It would have equally bothered me even if I wasn't a Christian.
Some people need to learn to respect other people, because they wouldn't be happy if anyone attacked their core beliefs/values in such a manner.
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I have a religious faith (I'm C Of E too). I found myself reflecting when my son was studying different religions at school. As I had access to lots of books as we had a secondhand & antiquarian bookshop at the time, I read widely about comparitive religions that told similar stories but in different ways.
As a consequence of this, my simplistic view was that you might have the faith you have, or have none, depending on where you were born, & whether your parents had any particular faith, or none.
This is what I taught my children, & to respect people whatever their faith (or none). Neither of them holds a religious belief, tho my son knows how important my belief is to me. I don't mind that they don't hold a religious belief, what matters to me is that they are good, kind people who respect others whatever their religion or anything else (race, politics, etc).
And that's the first time I've mentioned my religion on this forum in nearly 6 years, tho I have supported one member who talked about his friend suffering from anti-semitism. We should surely just learn to be kind to each other…..
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Sorry I didn't mean to cause any upset with my comment, I don't mean every christian is like that but I have only had negative experiences and had a bad day today. I had to go hospital and had a women there who was blasting christian sermons in the waiting room for over an hour. For someone who suffers from bad social anxiety and has sensativity to things it was torture, not only did I not feel 100% but listening to that for over an hour made me exhausted and bitter.
Like I said I only ever had negative experiences, I can't even go out on a saturday becuase theres a local group from a nearby church who seem to blast loud music and block the whole shopping area handing out flyers and purposly get in your way to try speak to you to join their cult. Its a nightmare and I just can't do it. The only way I can force myself outside is the fact that I'll have no social contact what so ever. I only ever shop in shops with a self checkout too.
So I apologise for my comment earlier if it offended anyone, I don't really mean offence and sometimes I'm not the best at communicating. People have the right to believe in what they want to believe in, but your faith shouldn't be put onto others. I don't like being told I should follow god, or become christian in the same way I shouldn't tell you not to believe. My comment was the fact that in my instances people try to force their religion onto you, and again sorry if I'm being biased but that has been my experience all my life.
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Thank you for taking the time to explain, I really appreciate your honesty, and I’m sorry you’ve had such difficult experiences. It’s completely understandable that they have left you feeling overwhelmed and wary, especially when things have felt intrusive or insensitive.
I’m Church of England myself. I don’t attend church regularly, but the values I was raised with and have passed on to my children, still shape how I try to live each day, kindness, respect, and genuine tolerance for others, regardless of their beliefs. For me, faith isn’t about outward appearances or ceremony, it’s about how we treat one another.
When I shared my earlier post, it wasn’t about defending behaviour that imposes religion on others, quite the opposite. I believe faith should be lived quietly and respectfully, not broadcast or forced. Everyone should feel free to believe, or not believe, without pressure or judgement.
I hope we can continue sharing different perspectives with this same openness. It’s through conversations like this that we find greater understanding and remind ourselves that respect isn’t just a courtesy, it’s the foundation of any meaningful dialogue. Differences will always exist, but how we engage with them is what makes the difference.
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Hi @rubin16 - I know you would never mean to cause any offence with any of your comments. To be honest I'd been wondering how you are, as you haven't been on the forum for quite some time, so I'm pleased to see you commenting again.
I can understand where you're coming from; I don't have your issues, but would have similarly felt overwhelmed with what you experienced. I suppose religion can take many forms, & some feel they have to convert people, but that's sort of not showing respect either.
Don't hold it against me that you've been in my thoughts & prayers for some time, as are other members. I just mean that in a way of 'caring,' so hope you're OK with that. You're one of the good guys to me, whilst I'm still a work in progress.
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Hi
if anyone reads this I sincerely apologise, I have a delightful bottle of Rioja and far too much spare time.
Please:
Ranald - "I believe the lad in question was under their spell at the time, but later shook the nonsense off."
Very well put, many of us have been vulnerable and that can make us open to all sorts of crazy ideas.
rubin16
"I have a fond hatred of any religion"
I don't feel or carry hate. I suggest those types of emotions aren't good for us and can't help us. If I can change things I do my best, otherwise I find something else to do.
Sorry Ostia but Christianity didn't teach the world the equality of people with disabilities. In perhaps just my opinion we did that through our own hard work.
I won't even mention Leviticus 21:18-20.
"While the founders of Alcoholics Anonymous (AA), Bill Wilson and Dr. Bob Smith, were not Catholic, they were heavily influenced by Catholic spirituality, particularly the writings of St. Ignatius of Loyola and the work of Jesuit priest Father Edward Dowling. Wilson, in particular, was drawn to Catholicism and even considered converting."¹
Ostia an organised religion just needs an agreement between people. I don't want to know if you've ever rolled h*gh with the g*angst*rs or coal m*ners but that could qualify as faith. If we choose to believe that next week you'll turn bright green and become omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent, or whatever, that's up to us and it would count.
rubin16 yes but do you lack enough faith (or care enough) to try going into a church? I frequently have as a formerly affirmed, baptised and confirmed atheist. Have you ever really tested your disbelief please? I don't mind, that's only your choice.
You then make some very valid points about generalisation and people thanks Wheeled_Weapon.
I'm wearing a rubber soul. That's worked well for me
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trouble5316 IMHO it's people that make religion interesting, not the other way 'round. We're complicated things, Allahu (or whoever) Akbar.
Wheeled_Weapon it's people who make religions in my experience, not the other way 'round. We all have some choice in that respect.
chiarieds I agree entirety. Why can't we all just get along (to quote Rodney King)? Faith is no more than what we believe in my opinion and experience. I've experimented with blasphemy (and respect the faith of others) but I'm sometimes childish.
If anyone has got this far you have my respect.
Good luck all
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¹https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholics_Anonymous
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It all depends on what you call a religion.
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Look at it this way though -
Where I live we have a lot of Chinese University students. They're lovely, but maybe due to cultural differences they generally have less consideration for me as a wheelchair user. If someone is going to step out in front of me last second or block the entire pavement without moving until asked, 9 times out of 10 it's one of the Chinese students. Irritating, but they don't mean any harm... Still irritating though.
Now, imagine this thread was about China and I went on a hate fuelled diatribe about China and Chinese people purely because a few Chinese students irritated me in the past - It wouldn't be acceptable at all. So why is religion, especially Christianity, fair game for hate?
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We're happy for this discussion to continue, but please remember we all have our own views on religion, but we can also all play nicely.
"An' it harm none, do what ye will."
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Harm has been done though. These weren't just 'opinions', they were hate fuelled diatribes based on sweeping generalisations.
The one thing I hold dear is my core values. An abuser tried to destroy those values, mocked and derided those values so I have zero tolerance for that.
I don't expect to come on a disability forum and have these values ripped to shreds with vile hate speech, so with that I'm taking time out from the Scope forum.
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I'm really sorry to hear that @Wheeled_Weapon I understand words hold a lot of power, even if others use them flippantly. Though no malice was aimed toward you, I totally understand how you feel after having to defend your faith.
We do try to avoid religious conversations for this very reason. So please if people could be careful with their words, they can do a lot of damage. Debate is great, name calling is not.
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Hi Albus, Can you please delete my first 2 comments on this thread. I clearly wasn't thinking correctly when I posted them, and didn't want to cause any harm or malice towards any member.
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No problem @rubin16 it has been done. I know you'd never knowingly want to upset anyone, it's ok.
Religion is a very polarising subject and we've all had very different experiences with it growing up, so we wont always agree on things. As long as we're all civil about it and ask questions instead of yelling, then it's all good. We can learn from each other. 😊
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I used to go to a evangelical church, went to 2 one was founded by the other. Never will I set foot inside one again. I was judged for being a single parent. They prayed for me, I was a sinner for not staying in a abusive relationship. The look down at you, tell you what to watch, listen too. Metal music devil music 😆, I listen too.
If you don't fit in with their circle, you don't matter. Listen too Jonathan Davis from korn , his solo album has 2 songs Your god, and everyone sums churches up. Yes they do judge gay people there, and people have disowned people they know for being gay
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I thought this was an interesting article, the fact that some people believe in 'exorcisms' in the 21st century. {removed by moderator - uncivil}
In future, i shall refrain from mentioning anything relating to religion.
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It's worth pointing out Korn contain 2 devout Christians and even Mr Davis believes in god, he's just not a Christian. 😊
Going back to the original article, I've always found exorcisms a fascinating subject.
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How the **** is it throwing a wobbly? How the **** am I a professional offence taker?
There's debate and there's just being a ****. There's a difference.
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That's the sort of point I was attempting to make earlier. Performative/public religion is, to me, a very empty sort of religion. It's about being seen to be religious. Whereas quiet, reflective religiosity/faith is to me (an atheist) awesome.
Some of the most 'Christian' people I have ever met are those of whom I have zero idea if they are practicing Christians or not.
On the other hand, some of those who are extremely vociferous regarding their 'devotion' are some of the most judgemental, vindictive, and spiteful people I have ever encountered.
Hence my preference of actively avoiding those who proclaim their religion whilst behaving badly.
I'm pretty sure performative religious folks find me unappealing too - and that's fair enough.
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What, like Mr Vance? It's all performance with that sort i bet!
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