We Need Your Help! What's Your Experience With Motability?🚗
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This is derailing this thread but you don't have to apply for PIP if on DLA and the applications for PIP have vastly increased to 1/4 million per quarter year....!!!!!!
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- In January 2020, there were 2.4 million PIP claimants (caseload). GOV.UK
- As of 31 July 2025, there were 3.8 million people with entitlement to PIP in England & Wales. GOV.UK
But of those extra 1.4 million claimants, about 1.3 m are “DLA reassessment” claims (i.e., people who previously got DLA).
So that's only an additional 100,000 PIP claimants - NOT a doubling…..
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Thanks for that, but I have not seen that information on the 1.3m DLA Assessment. This has never been mentioned in all the data I have read. The lockdown and after saw a great increase in PIP awards. The fact remains the applications for PIP have vastly increased in the last few years, like I said 1/4 million applications per quarter year of late. There are 25,000 new PIP awards per week, which is not sustainable!! This is derailing this thread, we may need to continue elsewhere!
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Actually, a lot of us did have to. I had to, in 2019. Which happened to be the same year I was able to change from driving a manual car to driving an automatic, which immediately improved my mobility, because I wasn't experiencing agonising pain in my left foot after 20 minutes behind the wheel.
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Also bear in mind that it was a Labour government that insisted that mental health conditions should have 'parity of esteem', when it came to accessing medical treatment and disability benefits.
It would appear to be a very strong case of "be careful what you wish for - you might get it".
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My daughter's Motability car means she has a life, as she is unable to use buses or a community bus due to her disabilities. She would become housebound without the car. She has little enough life anyway, but the prospect of no car is unbearable. Her carers drive the car, I am grateful for the open insurance that Motability provides, so they can all drive it, subject to insurance "rules". Removing VAT exemption would be a bad decision, unless they are willing to increase the disability benefits to an equal amount.
Eligibility process - we all know how hard this is and a constant worry about what they are going to do next to us genuine folk. I wonder how "they" would feel if they became disabled and had this fight!
Scheme works very well for my daughter, it is wonderful the difference it makes to her. Please stand up for us
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I don't think that you should have any worry about losing Motability for your daughter - it is the big BMW's and similar that everyone agrees should be curtailed (just because you can afford a big downpayment - doesn't give you permission to obtain a high grade vehicle !
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Not all disabled people need adaptions to vehicles either , I only need room for my walker , but desperately need a car that is not low as i cannot get in or out because of nerve damage that i have from surgery for cancer , so when MP's are sying that most do not have adaptions , they don't understand that disabilities are not all the same . I also have profound hearing loss and my coordination is off , i also have agoraphobia and the motability car helps me get out , my husband is the driver , I don't drive without the car I'd never get out at all .
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I, now, need an automatic gearbox - despite having held a manual licence for 45 years.
Whilst an automatic gearbox, typically does not count as a vehicle adaptation specifically for disabled use. However, it could be a component of a broader set of adaptations designed to assist a driver with disabilities.
For instance, many people with disabilities may require major and costly modifications beyond just an automatic transmission. These adaptations might include:
- Hand controls: Instead of using foot pedals, some people use hand controls to operate the brakes and accelerator.
- Steering aids: Such as knobs or specialised steering systems that make it easier for someone with limited arm mobility to steer the vehicle.
- Left-foot accelerator: For people who can't use their right foot, the accelerator can be relocated to the left side.
- Specialised seats or seat bases: To accommodate those with mobility challenges, allowing easier transfer into and out of the car.
- Vehicle lifts or ramps: To assist individuals who use wheelchairs in getting in and out of the vehicle.
Without these modifications - people are going to be unable to leave their homes - which is unfair and wrong.
An automatic gearbox, however, might make it easier for people with limited use of their legs or feet to drive, since it removes the need to operate a clutch, which can require more physical coordination and strength. But this alone doesn’t qualify as a "disabled vehicle adaptation."
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I have been on motability since I was 18 years old. I suffer with cerebral palsy. At first, it was a good scheme and when the choice of cars widened, it felt like we were being treated with equality. If you could afford the deposit on the car of your choice, you could have the car. After all, disabled people deserve to have aspirations to. Now that the choice has been removed and all the horrible comments and prejudice in the comments of the papers reporting the removal of the so called 'luxury cars' from the scheme makes me feel as if we are going back in time to when disabled people were institutionalised, forgotten and bullied. Just like the able-bodied, the disabled like freedom of choice and now it's gone. Therefore, when my car is returned after the lease has ended, I will never use the motability scheme again.
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Removing premium brands is akin to institutionalisation of disabled people?
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@Chris75_ This feels like it is the start of something bigger to come. First, they start with motability then next they could decided that the disabiled have no place in society and so on. This is what I meant about going backwards to where 'disabled people institutionalised, forgotten and bullied'.
Many disabled people work so saving up to have a car you choose should be allowed. Just like someone who uses car finance, leases and so on. If you can pay the extra then why should anyone not be allow the choice?
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That is quite a jump to make, going from the removall of premium branded cars, to us being locked away, out of sight.
The decision has been taken, we weren't each invited to give our opinion on the matter beforehand. We elect a professional class of politicians to run the country, if they don't measure up, another lot can be voted in next time. Let's just hope it isn't that French bloke.
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@Chris75_ This feels like the start of something bigger to come. First, it starts with motability then go backwards to a time where 'disabled people were institutionalised, forgotten and bullied,' this is what I meant. As a disabled person, I feel we are going backwards and not forward. I had planned to come off Motability but when mercedes came back on, my plan was that after the 3 years, buy it off them. However, I only found out after that they removed that option of right 'to buy' from disabled people as well. If you have saved up to get the car you want, why should you be told 'no' just because you are disabled? Regardless of who you are, if you save for the car you want whether through motability, leasing, or finance then you should still have the choice.
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No-one is being told no because they are disabled. Disabled people have the option to lease or finance privately, the same as non-disabled people do.
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I can't help you, the decision has been taken; and if Reform get in, we may have some real problems to deal with.
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My opinion, what next the government are trying to get as many disabled people off PIP and other associated benefits, but, disabled people got a reprieve because the current government back benchers voted against the changes to the benefits system which would have seen hundreds of thousands of disabled people being forced into work regardless of how much their disabilities affect their daily lives. Their was no clear information on how this was going to be managed and the additional costs associated with these changes which would have cost much more than if a person was still claiming PIP, I don’t know about others but I would require a chaperon during the time I would be required to work which comes at a cost? Now the government have decided to remove the tax subsidy on Motability Scheme after all Motability are a not for profit charity with every surplus income being reinvested. This will place a significant burden on what Motability stands for and that is to give disabled people independence. The tax subsidy is being completely removed regardless of the make or model this will see cars that don’t have any advanced payments now being forced by the government giving Motability no other option but to charge an advance payment to cars that would otherwise had a zero advance charge. Within the next six to twelve months we will see vehicles with advanced payment of three times their current listed price. It is expected that £2000-£6000 being added to advance payments sometime next year. WHAT NEXT?
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I have not had a motability car. It reads to me there will be 20% VAT on Advance Payments, then your PIP Enhanced Mobility payment for the lease of the vehicle. Insurance Tax at 12% is added and a mileage limit reduction is applied.
So obviously the differences are tax on the Advance Payment and Insurance, plus the mileage limit reduction. This reduction could be halving the original mileage limit to 10,000 miles a year like a normal leased vehicle. 5p a mile after that. I am guessing abuse of the scheme may have caused some of this...
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Don't want to worry you but I think Farage will be next. I have seen his popularity increase tenfold doesn't matter where you look, social media, YouTube and the general public that once never talked about him! This includes friends and acquaintances. I don't want to derail this thread but that is my opinion.
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It won't worry me, Trevor. He is the best recruiting sergeant I can think of for Scottish independence. In all seriousness however, I wouldn't want that French bloke anywhere near Downing Street.
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