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If it’s not pip it’s now esa!

lillybellelillybelle Member Posts: 458 Pioneering
A letter arrived this morning, I thought it was my assessment results for pip.
NOPE- I now have another assessment this time for ESA. 
I sent my medical form back to DWP in Jan. no problems with money, had letter confirming my payments from Jan 2018 onwards.
Apparently the department that I rang on the form as I couldn’t manage the time, haven’t even got any evidence of this medical form plus doctors letter that was sent at the same time.
luckily I didn’t sent original GP,s letter. I only send copies. And I have the photographs of each page of medical form that was sent in.
   Last ESA assessment was 4yrs ago and I was put into work group.
i immediately telephoned and  wrote a letter , the decision was changed immediately without a MR.
  With the upheaval of Pip ( which I don’t expect to be good news) and now this.
i think I shall add “ Heading for a breakdown” to the list of ailments.
    ALSO this is an example of what can happen if a £40 original GP,s letter had been sent and not a copy.

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  • Sam_AlumniSam_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 7,731 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @lillybelle
    Oh I am sorry to hear this has all come up at the same time!! How frustrating for you :(
    Scope
    Senior online community officer
  • clarzierclarzier Member Posts: 48 Courageous
    Same has happened to me firstly PIP and then ESA I've queried mine as I had my f2f assessment 12 months ago was put in support group and was told I was to be reviewed in the medium term and now I'm being reassessed again. I've read online that claiming for PIP can flag up ESA claims too. Don't know if it's true.
  • BrokenBroken Member Posts: 40 Courageous
    I have had a f2f for ESA on 2nd Feb 2018 and now have to attend a f2f for PIP on 6th March. It certainly does seem that they are "interconnected" in some way, despite being different benefits. 
  • dee4848dee4848 Member Posts: 218 Pioneering
    All info surely gets past on 
  • Government_needs_reformGovernment_needs_reform Member Posts: 858 Pioneering
    Broken said:
    I have had a f2f for ESA on 2nd Feb 2018 and now have to attend a f2f for PIP on 6th March. It certainly does seem that they are "interconnected" in some way, despite being different benefits. 

    @Broken, I found this a while ago regarding this.. it's been going on for a long time.





    Its amazing all this back stabbing they do.
    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • susan48susan48 Member Posts: 2,229 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi
    they don’t care about the anxiety and stress this system causes. I have my PIP appeal tomorrow at 11am and can’t eat or sleep. This is made worse as i struggle to communicate caused by anxiety. Thankfully my carer is taking me and assisting me, by talking for me in the hearing. I’m so scared
  • lillybellelillybelle Member Posts: 458 Pioneering
    It,s absolutely right. These two are connected in some way. 
  • lillybellelillybelle Member Posts: 458 Pioneering
    Last time I had a f2f for Esa I was put into the work group. That same day I wrote a letter asking how could I be fit for work with uncontrolled epilepsy and they changed the decision without an MR .
      Didn’t know that I could get a copy of the assessors report, God knows what she had wrote
  • Government_needs_reformGovernment_needs_reform Member Posts: 858 Pioneering

      Didn’t know that I could get a copy of the assessors report, God knows what she had wrote


    @lillybelle

    Yes you can obtain and get an assessors report after any DWP assessment whether it's for ESA or PIP.

    If you have an ESA assessment at a centre you need to phone and ask the DWP for a copy of the report called an ESA85 or if it was done soley on Paper Based evidence and you not attended a centre you ask for an ESA85A.

    For the above phone the ESA helpline a few days after the assesment and they will send it out.

    With PIP its a PA4 report if you had an assessment at a centre, again if it's Paper Based you ask for PA3. 

    For PIP assessment forms, phone the PIP helpline number not ESA one.

    Also to note If either were done on Paper Based ie ESA85A or PA3 for PIP you might not know until your decision in any case you can request either after your decision as it's your right to obtain copies of the above reports.

    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • CockneyRebelCockneyRebel Member Posts: 5,257 Disability Gamechanger
    ESA will not normally send a report until the decision is made
    B*******s

    CR
    Be all you can be, make  every day count. Namaste
  • lillybellelillybelle Member Posts: 458 Pioneering
    I’m awaiting the Pip report. Should be here this week.
    the esa f2f 4 yrs ago never mentioned one. However the appointment letter with this Esa on the 14th March does so that I can ask for it.

  • BrokenBroken Member Posts: 40 Courageous
    @Governments_A_Joke Thank you for that information. I notice the date is 2014, one has to wonder if with all the "new" companies working on behalf of DWP are in fact aware/taking any notice of this?

    I am thinking of bringing either a copy of the entire ESA report posted to me or the recommended outcome part to show/give as additional evidence to the assessor at my PIP assessment. Since this report has a number of omissions and inaccuracies, I think just the summarised part would be better. :-) In this, the nurse put "The client was found to meet the criteria for Limited Capability for Work and Work Related Activity". The available evidence suggests review in the medium term. 

    @CockneyRebel I phoned and asked for a copy of my ESA report 12 days after the f2f and it was posted to me within 2 days. I was told, however, that it had yet to be sent to the DM and I should receive the outcome by letter in 6-8 weeks. 

    It is my belief that any contact made or received from DWP sets in motion a review/assessment process regarding any and all benefits. I could of course be wrong about this ..... 
  • Government_needs_reformGovernment_needs_reform Member Posts: 858 Pioneering
    edited February 2018
    @Broken Your most welcome.

    This is the big Question? The info was a process that was used from 2014 not sure if they still do...

    (You've stated in the Medium Term on your report em could be awkward not saying it will be, if it got hard evidence that will help you use it be carful as PIP is different to ESA.)


    But a sure way to get your point across to an assessment is.

    When I have to ever go through this process I alway send whether it's for PIP or ESA I've only ever had Paper Based assesments & I always add my reports from either one being an ESA85A or PIP PA3 report as they've both have solid evidence on them and they stated & know full well im not going to improve.

    Also remember always add functional imfomation from specialist Consutants, care givers & Diagnosis from your GP. As many know the GP is not always the best place to know of your daily living.

    Also bearing in mind the more conclusive & to the point evidence you can give the less chance that you will have to do a MR or appeal. Don't just rely on the Diagnoses.

    Im atmo in the Support Group ESA & On-Going PIP. Also another tip & I will be asking for if I have to attend any assesments.

    I will be demanding when I get my up and coming ESA with Maximus, being recorded and I will be using my equipment as I have purchased a Neal 9103 CD recorder for the sole purpose of this sorry farce of assessments, I trust no one and certainly not them. 

    Let em refuse and I will kick off that's for sure.

    I will not be fobbed off by any of their excuses or Bull. I will stand my ground over this because I want the truth and not their lies.



    Hope this helps.
    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


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