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fighting for my PIP and I'm a bit confused about my mental health conditions

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  • Waylay
    Waylay Member Posts: 971 Pioneering
    RebeccaMHadvisor

    Probably a weird question, but I'm fighting for my PIP and I'm a bit confused about my mental health conditions. I used to have long (weeks to many months) severe depressions and fairly constant anxiety which increased when I was under stress. Since becoming physically disabled and going through several traumatic events, my depression and anxiety have changed. For the past 7? years, my baseline level has been depressed, but somewhat functional (I can wash, dress, eat, etc.) but I'm rarely at baseline. I'll have a few hours of severe depression, then a day of being at baseline, then 4 days of severe depression, then 2 days of massive anxiety, a few hours of baseline, then 2 days of both bad depression and bad anxiety, etc. Is this normal for someone with Major Depressive Disorder (clinical depression) and Generalized Anxiety Disorder?

    I was diagnosed with Borderline PD about 7 years ago (at the age of 35), but
    I've never really felt that I fit into the BPD diagnosis, despite being in a BPD outpatient service for years. My pain psychologist, psychiatrist, counselor, and group therapy facilitator all agree with me that Complex PTSD is a much better match. Who knows, maybe I have both! Dunno if that's relevant.

    Is my current experience of depression/anxiety normal? If not, might it be because of BPD/C-PTSD? My assessor wrote that my description of my mental illnesses was "suspicious" (but he was a paramedic). Am I weird?

    Oh, and I've been assessed for bipolar twice, but don't have it.

    Thanks!

    Waylay
  • susan48
    susan48 Member Posts: 2,221 Disability Gamechanger
    @Waylay
    Your rollercoaster of depression, anxiety and various degrees sounds a bit like me.
    Can vary from hour to hour.
    So I don’t think your weird at all, I thought I was the only one like this, find it hard to put it into words like you have marvellously.
    The only diagnosis Iv had is social anxiety and severe depression but I’m i to think it’s more PTSD. Not sure how it’s diagnosed, I’m waiting on CPN , Psychologist referral.

    What did the assessor mean your mental illness was suspicious!,


  • feir
    feir Member Posts: 395 Pioneering
    There's no official criteria for CPTSD in the DMV manual so even if you do have that nobody would be able to officially recognise it anyway as it's not classed as an illness yet, i guess you'd have to be diagnosed with PTSD for now.

    Main differences between the two are people with BPD tend to rage, have uncontrollable mood swings, paranoia, seek out relationships, and are impulsive. Whereas people with CPTSD tend to be avoidant and withdraw, become hypervigilant, and have flashbacks.

    Pretty sure i have CPTSD also but have only been diagnosed with moderate depression and anxiety and no disorder at all so i might not have it, idk.
  • susan48
    susan48 Member Posts: 2,221 Disability Gamechanger
    @feir thanks I think the DWP want ‘labels’ more than we do.
    I hope your ok today @Waylay
  • feir
    feir Member Posts: 395 Pioneering
    Yeah i'm not bothered about a label, i joined a couple of facebook cptsd groups and they accept me despite not having a diagnosis so i can still get the support i need.
  • Waylay
    Waylay Member Posts: 971 Pioneering
    @feir Yup, but the ICD-11 is in Beta, and Complex PTSD has been added this time (6B41). We don't use DSM very much in Europe.
  • Waylay
    Waylay Member Posts: 971 Pioneering
    @feir But yeah, I fit C-PTSD almost exactly, like you.
  • Waylay
    Waylay Member Posts: 971 Pioneering
    @susan48 Thanks!  I suspect that the assessor (a paramedic) only knew the basics about mental health, so since I don't fit the stereotypical description ...
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  • feir
    feir Member Posts: 395 Pioneering
    Lol, never heard of the ICD before. i'd better tag @susan48 and let her know that DMV was wrong. And that's good news that it willbe recognisable.
     
    All the free learning sites seem to be,american or australian based but i never realised they'd use different stuff there.

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  • susan48
    susan48 Member Posts: 2,221 Disability Gamechanger
    Victoriad said:
    It’s how your condition affects your ability during daily living.

    Its nothing to do with the medical labels.

    Yes I know that’s what they say but when it comes to f2f etc they want a diagnosis. 

    It clearly states in my assessment report, I have not been diagnosed so that’s another, say one thing and mean another.

    What hope has anyone got it they change the goal posts to suit. 
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  • peterpete
    peterpete Member Posts: 37 Courageous
    I have p.t.s.d I found out today yet again my appeal was disallowed. If u can walk to the shop one minute away your fit for work. They want you to be house bound and able to do nothing at all before even giving you a point. Don't matter what evidence you provide you won't win I'm sorry to say but don't appeal in the short term it will leave you financially in secure best to seek advice immediately and keep calm through out. Pip assessments are unlike e.s.a they will fight you tooth and nail before excepting facts. Even as a secondary benefit u will lose your disability premium too. I found my self losing 600 pound a month unexpectedly. My advice is unless your 100 percent likely to win a appeal just reapply good luck 
  • susan48
    susan48 Member Posts: 2,221 Disability Gamechanger
    Victoriad said:
    Hi @susan48
    Ive never had a f2f.

    Ive found the PiP application process very easy and Im now waiting for the result of my application for PiP enhanced rate.

    I never have, in any part of my application forms, ever stated my psychiatric diagnosis or health diagnosis of any description.

    I answered the questions without even having to fill a page with writing and writing two short paragraphs at most.

    I do know that the DWP DID get in touch with the CPN dealing with me and have never contacted the GP either.

    Its all gone surprisingly smoothly for me ( obviously others on the forum have not had the same experience)


    @victoriad, next time Iv to fill in forms a wee meeting might be in order in our capital so you can help  ;)


  • cripps
    cripps Member Posts: 412 Pioneering
    I wish my pip application went as well as yours has, good luck all the way. It’s about time someone beat there system. 

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