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Pip report is not correct

justm3xjustm3x Member Posts: 16 Listener
I requested a copy of my pip assessment, I’ve not had a decision yet and it’s full of lies... in one paragraph she put I was relaxed and at ease I cried from the minute I walked in to the time I left. In fact my daughter who was with me was also in tears as she heard things I’ve tried to keep from her.. the assessor gave us both tissues. The more of the report I read the more upset I am .. I’ve been on DLA high rate mobility and low rate care for 13 years and was given it for life ... why do they lie so much? 

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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi,

    Have you checked the recommended points at the back of the report? Use the PIP self test to add up any points that maybe recommended and this will tell you if there's any chance of an awarded or not. They usually go with the report.

    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
  • justm3xjustm3x Member Posts: 16 Listener
    Yes I have and it recommends no assessment for at least another 4 years .. I wasn’t sure what some of the stuff at the back meant 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    What points did you score? this is what you need to be looking for. You'll see boxes with dots in them, use the PIP descriptors to add the points up because the score isn't added in the report.
    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
  • justm3xjustm3x Member Posts: 16 Listener
    I got 10 points for dressing cooking bathing and 12 points for mobility... 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    edited August 2019
    That says Standard for daily living and Enhanced mobility. This means that it's a higher award than you're on for DLA because you only have low rate care for that.
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  • justm3xjustm3x Member Posts: 16 Listener
    Thank you for explaining that.... ive been so upset at some of the things she has written.. she said that id not been to hospital for some of the health issues i have and that not true... ive been to hospital many times and had paramedics to my home. 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    That's approximately £476 every 4 weeks. If you have the mobility car then your payments will be £234.80 standard daily living every 4 weeks. If you're claiming any other benefits it may entitle you to extra money but it will depend on your circumstances.

    You will need to wait for a decision to be made but they usually go with the report.
    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
  • justm3xjustm3x Member Posts: 16 Listener
    Im on ESA support group Income related aswell
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Do you live alone or with a partner?
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  • justm3xjustm3x Member Posts: 16 Listener
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    I don't think you understood my question. Do you live alone? Or do you live with a partner?
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  • justm3xjustm3x Member Posts: 16 Listener
    I live alone 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    This means that once a decision is made on your PIP, if you're awarded the daily living part then you'll be entitled to claim the severe disability premium in with your ESA. This is an extra £65.85 per week on top of your ESA but you'll need to wait for the PIP award to start before you can claim it.

    To claim it you ring ESA and ask to fill out the IS10 form to claim Severe disability premium.
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  • justm3xjustm3x Member Posts: 16 Listener
    Thank you so much i will wait for the award letter.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    You're very welcome. Once you've had the decision if you need further advice please do post and someone will help you.
    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
  • justm3xjustm3x Member Posts: 16 Listener
    Ive just read this, but at 10 points i only get the standard daily living  .......You must get the disability premium or income-related ESA , and one of the following:
    1. PIP daily living component at the higher ('enhanced') rate.
    2. AFIP.
    3. DLA care component at the highest rate
  • worried33worried33 Member Posts: 399 Pioneering
    edited August 2019
    Hi,

    Have you checked the recommended points at the back of the report? Use the PIP self test to add up any points that maybe recommended and this will tell you if there's any chance of an awarded or not. They usually go with the report.

    Just want to add poppy.  Since I seen you mention this back page a few times.

    I dont know if the reports are changed or mine was unusual, but my report sent out by the DWP is nothing like what you have described.

    There was one page for each section with big tick boxes for each descriptor, and the HCP ticked a box for the descriptor, then a box below those if I disagreed, and a note saying the HCP had to fill in the box below that tick box if it was in disagreement with the claimant.  So the ones where he gave a lower descriptor was then the box where he justified his descriptor choice.

    So for me I had to check each page for the boxes he ticked, there was no back page with boxes/dots recommending points/descriptors.  If you like I will send you a picture of one of the pages, but obviously I will want to blur out the text first.
  • worried33worried33 Member Posts: 399 Pioneering
    justm3x said:
    Ive just read this, but at 10 points i only get the standard daily living  .......You must get the disability premium or income-related ESA , and one of the following:
    1. PIP daily living component at the higher ('enhanced') rate.
    2. AFIP.
    3. DLA care component at the highest rate

    I too noticed some "old" websites put enhanced daily living, but poppy is correct and it is "any" daily living award for SDP.

    Congrats by the way, and good luck in regards to the DM rubber stamping the report.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    justm3x said:
    Ive just read this, but at 10 points i only get the standard daily living  .......You must get the disability premium or income-related ESA , and one of the following:
    1. PIP daily living component at the higher ('enhanced') rate.
    2. AFIP.
    3. DLA care component at the highest rate
    I'm not sure what you're reading but that's definitely not the criteria for SDP. See link for full criteria.

    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    @worried33 it's the big tick boxes i'm talking about. When i say boxes i don't mean small boxes lol. It's hard to explain but what ever they are they are usually towards the back of the report. At least that's where the recommended points are in 4 reports i have here and i have PA4 and PA5 reports.
    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
  • justm3xjustm3x Member Posts: 16 Listener
    I see what worried33 means.... There is a list of descriptor's each with a box a-f , i thought she ticked one of those boxes because of what i had said in the original PIP form. Below those descriptors has a big box on the right which she either ticks to say claimant did not report significant functional problems or she ticks it and has to explain why she didn't tick it and there she put all the things she agreed with or disagreed with and the last sentence gives her opinion which starts "THEREFORE it is likely"..... i was told when i requested the copy of the report not to take it as gospel as things could change!!
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    edited August 2019
    justm3x said:
     i was told when i requested the copy of the report not to take it as gospel as things could change!!
    It's very rare for this to happen. The decision maker mostly  goes with the recommendations in the report. I've had 4 PIP assessments and each time they have gone with the report like for like.
    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,653 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @justm3x, I'm glad @poppy123456 was able to help here. I'm sorry for the lies in the report but congrats on the end result. Like Poppy said, if you need any support once you have received the final decision then please do let us know!
    Scope

  • justm3xjustm3x Member Posts: 16 Listener
    IT'S OFFICIAL..... not had my letter from the DWP but my council tax support letter has just been delivered telling me there has been a change in my benefits and it clearly states Daily living component standard and Mobility component enhanced rate ... obviously my local council is one step ahead of the DWP... im delighted 
  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,653 Disability Gamechanger
    Congratulations @justm3x, that's amazing news!
    Scope

  • Adrian_ScopeAdrian_Scope Testing team Posts: 7,998

    Scope community team

    That's great news @justm3x! :)
    Senior Community Partner
    Scope
  • worried33worried33 Member Posts: 399 Pioneering
    @worried33 it's the big tick boxes i'm talking about. When i say boxes i don't mean small boxes lol. It's hard to explain but what ever they are they are usually towards the back of the report. At least that's where the recommended points are in 4 reports i have here and i have PA4 and PA5 reports.
    Mine is a PA4 V3, is yours a V3 as well?

    If it isnt I am happy to send you a photo with text blurred out so you can see what has changed.

    In my report the boxes start from the second page onwards.  There is boxes on each page for the section the descriptors cover, its not that dissimilar in that respect to a pip claimant form.
  • worried33worried33 Member Posts: 399 Pioneering
    justm3x said:
    IT'S OFFICIAL..... not had my letter from the DWP but my council tax support letter has just been delivered telling me there has been a change in my benefits and it clearly states Daily living component standard and Mobility component enhanced rate ... obviously my local council is one step ahead of the DWP... im delighted 
    great news, just one day after you got the report?  How long ago was you assessed if I may ask.  thanks.
  • justm3xjustm3x Member Posts: 16 Listener
    Assessment was 5th July, I was texted on the 10th to say they had got my report from the assessor ... I called them for a copy on the 5th August which I received on the 12th and then got the letter from council tax telling me my benefits had changed and that I’d been awarded PIP on the 14th... still not had the letter from DWP though 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    edited August 2019
    worried33 said:
    @worried33 it's the big tick boxes i'm talking about. When i say boxes i don't mean small boxes lol. It's hard to explain but what ever they are they are usually towards the back of the report. At least that's where the recommended points are in 4 reports i have here and i have PA4 and PA5 reports.
    Mine is a PA4 V3, is yours a V3 as well?

    If it isnt I am happy to send you a photo with text blurred out so you can see what has changed.

    In my report the boxes start from the second page onwards.  There is boxes on each page for the section the descriptors cover, its not that dissimilar in that respect to a pip claimant form.
    I have here 2 PA4 reports (can't find the other one) they are not V3. Both reports have 28 pages. In pages 1-10 it states history of conditions, social and occupational history and functional history, including variability, daily living and mobility activities and there's writing on these page numbers 1-10.

    From page 11 is the daily living activities, mobility after this.  At the top there's boxes with dots next to the descriptor. Underneath that is the justification for descriptor choice. A nurse did the one report and a Occupational Therapist did the other.

    Her most recent PA3 (paper based) is much shorter with just 18 pages. From page 2 there's boxes with the dots for the descriptor choices and underneath that is the justification for each descriptor choice. The only evidence used for this paper based assessment is the review form i filled in and sent and the previous PA4 report. One phone call was also made to her ASD specialist.
    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
  • worried33worried33 Member Posts: 399 Pioneering
    Yeah my report was much more streamlined.

    The back two pages were about the length and justification of award.

    The first page was an introduction, with main details, then second page onwards up until the last two pages is the sections with descriptors.  There is no dots.  It seems V3 is streamlined significantly.
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