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Vitamin D supplements for clinical vulnerable people

Cressida
Cressida Member Posts: 976 Connected
I've just received my Vitamin D3 supply. Anyone else had theirs? They arrived in a small envelope. The dosage is 1 table a day at mealtimes. 
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  • Ross_Scope
    Ross_Scope Posts: 6,659

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    Hi @Cressida

    Glad they've arrived, I assume you're referring to this scheme, just in case anybody isn't sure what you're talking about here.
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  • lisathomas50
    lisathomas50 Member Posts: 5,498 Disability Gamechanger
    This is only in England though isnt it ??
  • leeCal
    leeCal Member Posts: 5,080 Disability Gamechanger
    edited January 2021
    I bought my own a while ago, approx £8 for 365 tablets.

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  • vikingqueen
    vikingqueen Member Posts: 684 Pioneering
        I buy HuxD3 from the chemist, £7 something for 30, you only take them twice a month 
  • Cressida
    Cressida Member Posts: 976 Connected
    leeCal said:
    I bought my own a while ago, approx £8 for 365 tablets.
    Yes to be honest I should have done the same. :)
    @vikingqueen these are daily ones. D3 400iu.

  • vikingqueen
    vikingqueen Member Posts: 684 Pioneering
         @Cressida   Mine are  D3 20,000iu 
  • Cressida
    Cressida Member Posts: 976 Connected
    @vikingqueen I just found this:

    The effect of equivalent oral doses of vitamin D3 600 IU/day, 4200 IU/week and 18,000 IU/month on vitamin D status was compared in a randomized clinical trial in nursing home residents. A daily dose was more effective than a weekly dose, and a monthly dose was the least effective

    Interesting, I will read the full article. 
  • vikingqueen
    vikingqueen Member Posts: 684 Pioneering
        Hmm, interesting @Cressida...I'm just taking what my doctor first prescribed, let me know what you think of the article
  • dottydotty
    dottydotty Member Posts: 297 Pioneering
    Hello   Are there  any  side  effects  to   taking   Vit  D  . Have  been  told  people with heart  issues  have  to  be  extra  careful . and  to  stop  taking  it  immediately  if  side effects  occur  .
     
  • woodbine
    woodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 7,145 Disability Gamechanger
    edited January 2021
    This is only in England though isnt it ??
    No, its from the NHS not Welsh public health.
    Be extra nice to new members.
  • lisathomas50
    lisathomas50 Member Posts: 5,498 Disability Gamechanger
    @woodbine the link  says you have to be living in England thats why I asked incase there was a link for wales 
  • Ross_Scope
    Ross_Scope Posts: 6,659

    Scope community team

    Hello   Are there  any  side  effects  to   taking   Vit  D  . Have  been  told  people with heart  issues  have  to  be  extra  careful . and  to  stop  taking  it  immediately  if  side effects  occur  .
     
    @dottydotty

    I'm not sure about this. Best thing to do for anybody reading this would be to contact your GP to discuss if any kind of supplement would be suitable for you before you start taking them.
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  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Posts: 8,845 Connected
    It says much about the state of science right now that the NHS is doing this and linking it to protection from C19. All the research done this last year has pointed to Vitamin D offering zero protection against C19 or lessening the symptoms. There are very good reasons for taking D3 as we get less sun during Autumn and Winter so overall this is a good scheme but linking it to C19 is disgraceful.
  • chiarieds
    chiarieds Community Co-Production Group Posts: 12,265 Disability Gamechanger
    I would beg to politely say that both past & ongoing research does suggest that vitamin D can help as it boosts the immune system. As ever, more research is still needed.
    'Notable vitamin D insufficiency in the elderly...and patients with chronic disease conditions (diabetes and heart disease) and their increased susceptibility to COVID‐19 has prompted proposals for vitamin D supplementation.'
    'Several respiratory diseases are strongly linked to vitamin D inadequacy, and potential beneficial effects of vitamin D supplementation are indicated in multiple disease conditions with underlying immune alterations. Similar albeit limited preliminary indications of association between vitamin D insufficiency and COVID‐19 severity exist.'
    Published online 19 Jan 2021
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Posts: 8,845 Connected
    Two problems there @chiarieds

    1 - the “more research” has been done by NICE. The recent meta study of all the data on D3 and COVID showed statistical errors in more than 60% of studies; statistical invalidity and a lack of peer review in around 80% of those studies and no evidence of an impact whatsoever. For the time being the debate on D3 is over. It offers nothing re: Covid and that is now definitive. 

    By the way, the link you posted cites three authors who declare no conflicts of interest. You may want to research that. At least one of those authors has a very obvious conflict of interest which wasn’t too difficult to find. 

    2 - Ah yes the old “boosts the immune system” fallacy. This always fails to point out that it only boosts an immune system if it depleted. You cannot boost a fully functioning immune system yet the whole vitamin industry conspicuously continues to fail to point this out relying instead on the vague idea that by taking supplements you can make your immunity better than other people’s. Specifically in relation to D3 it also rarely mentions that you can only get 2/3 of what you need from D3. The rest can only come from exposure to sunlight. 

    D3 is a sensible idea for people depleted by age; lack of the ability to go outdoors and aware that their immunity is reduced following a specific conversation with their GP and subsequently an immunologist. It’s a red herring as regards covid though. 
  • dottydotty
    dottydotty Member Posts: 297 Pioneering
    Thankyou some  very interesting  comments . " Bring me  Sunshine "   Hope  you  all stay  safe  and  well .
  • chiarieds
    chiarieds Community Co-Production Group Posts: 12,265 Disability Gamechanger
    Thank you for recommending the NICE guidance, & yes, to put it politely, much of the research has been less than robust. I certainly didn't expect D3 to prevent Covid-19, but research is indeed ongoing, as links from NICE show, to see whether this may on its own, or part of combined therapy, have an affect in reducing the risk or severity of Covid-19, etc. I guess the jury is out until we hear more about such studies, & see NICE's updated guidelines.
    I stand by what I mentioned about vitamin D.  Please see this link from NICE about one of the studies: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04411446 'Vitamin D has immunomodulatory effects....' but agree that supplementation is only needed in an individual with an inadequate level.
    The quotes from the above recent medical paper did mention 'vitamin D insufficiency.'
    The NHS does appear to be following the NICE guidelines. Please see: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vitamins-and-minerals/vitamin-d/   as they say in their Coronavirus update, 'There have been some reports about vitamin D reducing the risk of coronavirus (COVID-19). But there is currently not enough evidence to support taking vitamin D to prevent or treat coronavirus.'
  • BrettW
    BrettW Member Posts: 607 Pioneering
    The Vitamin D supplements may be more along the lines of people remaining indoors more often due to lockdown and therfore the chances of Vitamin D deficiency increasing due to not being out in direct sunlight - not that we get much of that in winter anyway :smile:
  • chiarieds
    chiarieds Community Co-Production Group Posts: 12,265 Disability Gamechanger
    That seems to be the case @BrettW

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