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PIP Current claim ending soon, Letter from DWP says i will need to make a new claim

tomm
tomm Member Posts: 284 Pioneering
My current PIP award  ends in Feb Next year, which was a 4 yr fixed term award from a Tribunal, DWP sent a letter  saying  when my current claim will end and if i still need pip i will have to make a new claim , Can i use most of the details from the last pip 2 assuming i have a copy of it,  as there haven't been any significant changes since i made the initial claim ? Will the making of a new  claim affect the existing award ,?
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  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Member Posts: 31,091 Disability Gamechanger
    HI,

    I would be taking a close look at your PIP2 form from last time and thinking to yourself what else can i add to this. Your current award was from a Tribunal so i would be very cautious about sending exactly the same information.

    Any new decision made on the new award will overrule your exisiting award.
  • janer1967
    janer1967 Member Posts: 16,314 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi thee 

    You need to treat it as a new claim because that is what it is 

    As above if you put the same as last time you can expect the same outcome 

    You can use it as a promt but personally I would start from scratch 
  • tomm
    tomm Member Posts: 284 Pioneering
    edited August 2021
    So just making a new claim has no effect , Well the only material changes are the painkiller meds the condition  hasn't significantly worsened, thankfully as it would require  TKR surgery and now isn't the best time to be in hospital, Ideally a Paper assessment  based on what evidence won the appeal Maybe the best approach, consistency is important  too, as well as keeping it as simple as possible to lessen the chances of them misinterpreting things
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Member Posts: 31,091 Disability Gamechanger
    Yes of course it has an effect because it's a new claim. You need to re-apply as the letter states. I understand that there's not many changes but your current award was made by a Tribunal so if you fill the form in identical to your previous one then you're likely heading to Tribunal again.
  • tomm
    tomm Member Posts: 284 Pioneering
    edited August 2021
    I get what you are saying  but i have little faith in the assessment process  TBH, due to previous experiences, I know i don't meet the criteria for the enhanced level  So all i can do  is use some of   previous info already given to them  from both old PIP2  the GP's letters or make reference to them,  because that is all i have ,And the CAB adviser who helped me in the past has left the cab ,no wonder why e-mails where bouncing, and the remote setup Advice line  they have in place has worse waiting times than the DWP
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Member Posts: 31,091 Disability Gamechanger
    Which is even more reason not to use any previous PIP2 forms.

    What you need to do is forget about your past forms and start over again from scratch. You need to give a couple of real world examples of what happened the last time you attempted that activity for each descriptor that applies to you. Ideally, this should be at least 1 A4 page for each activity/descriptor.
  • janer1967
    janer1967 Member Posts: 16,314 Disability Gamechanger
    If you do a good enough form you may not have a phone or f2f assessment 

    You may be one of the lucky ones who get paper based I did got my last claim 

    I know the cab advisor has left but again why use someone that didn't get you a successful result without tribunal 

    Have you tried contacting welfare rights 

    You are advised only to send new evidence that they haven't seen before 
  • tomm
    tomm Member Posts: 284 Pioneering
    janer1967 said:
    If you do a good enough form you may not have a phone or f2f assessment 

    You may be one of the lucky ones who get paper based I did got my last claim 

    I know the cab advisor has left but again why use someone that didn't get you a successful result without tribunal 

    Have you tried contacting welfare rights 

    You are advised only to send new evidence that they haven't seen before 

    There is no new evidence nothing has changed  since 1st PIP2 apart from medication  stronger painkillers, and if there was a worsening  or new issue i would struggle to get a diagnosis from my GP his too busy hiding away from his patients like most of them are God only knows how many this approach is affecting negatively,
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Member Posts: 31,091 Disability Gamechanger
    edited August 2021
    Was your current claim refused by DWP and then you took it to Tribunal? Or were you awarded something from DWP and didn't agree so took it to Tribunal?
  • tomm
    tomm Member Posts: 284 Pioneering
    Was your current claim refused by DWP and then you took it to Tribunal? Or were you awarded something from DWP and didn't agree so took it to Tribunal?
    Yes, DWP awarded zero points and i was successful at tribunal  got 10 points for mobility 4yrs  standard mobility ,nearly 2 of those years had already elapsed  by the time the appeal was heard

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Member Posts: 31,091 Disability Gamechanger
    Then i have no idea why you would want to just copy the original PIP2 form, it makes no sense to me at all.
  • Cher_Inactive
    Cher_Inactive Posts: 4,400 Scope online community team
    @tomm I appreciate you don't have much faith in the assessment process (given past experience), but investing time now to carefully fill in your form may save future delays and having to revisit tribunal again; particularly given you unfortunately scored zero points with your old PIP2 form the first time around.

    I understand filling in the form can be quite time consuming, but the key points to remember are:
    • to familiarise yourself with the PIP activities and descriptors, identifying which points you believe you should score and providing evidence to support that.  Visit this Citizens Advice table of PIP activities, points, descriptors to have a look.  
    • to provide 2/3 detailed accounts of the last time you tried one of the PIP activities, including who was there, where it happened, what the activity was, what your difficulties were and how others had to assist you to complete the task reliably.  Remembering that unless you can carry out an activity reliably, that is safely, to an acceptable standard, repeatedly and in reasonable time then a particular descriptor can't be satisfied.
    Also, if you think you'd benefit from someone trained in Welfare helping you through the process, you can visit the Advice Local website, entering your postcode and selecting 'welfare benefits' from the drop down list. 

    Good luck and please ask away with any questions. 
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  • tomm
    tomm Member Posts: 284 Pioneering
    Well I finally rang PIP for a PIP2 form ,got it filled it in Basically saying my condition is mainly the same as it was when i won the appeal @tribunal, although there may have been a worsening  but probably not enough to qualify  for the enhanced rate of mobility, but due to not being able to see my GP and get a X-ray referral i cannot provide evidence of this, But they have all the evidence already from when i made my current claim and my condition remains unchanged ,And reiterated that if i need to be assessed AGAIN , i would need a home visit,  Form was sent before Xmas and sent using signed for, (received the next day @ Wolverhampton mail centre,  a few days after they sent a letter saying they had given me another 2weeks to return the PIP2 ,good of them, Anyhow  today i got a pip 7203 Letter  telling my that as my PIP was due to run out next month they were extending my award till June to allow them time to review my form and make a decision  to end,or request an assessment , or make an award at the same rate or higher rate, Didn't think they extended  awards that were tribunal decisions?
  • tomm
    tomm Member Posts: 284 Pioneering
    edited January 22
    Evidence from your current award will not be considered unless you included it with your latest form. You have plenty of evidence of your deterioration if you can describe the worsening of your mobility. 

    You won’t be getting an assessment via a HV. It may be a telephone assessment.

    Your signed for mail was a waste of money. DWP only do bulk signing i.e. one signature per load of post. Whoever signed your post it wasn’t DWP. Doesn’t matter now as it’s clearly got there as most post does. 

    Then It will be rejected  because my  evidence  is with CAB ,my rep has since  left them, and it's Marie Celeste at the moment due to CONVID  can't see GP F2F,either , there is no new evidence to submit from GP or orthopaedic surgeon since 2018 And even local council have next to no customer facing staff , They use  the historic evidence for  the tribunal in the bundle Inc from previous claim The Assessment,Could be a HV  as all these Economy  and society breaking restrictions will most likely  have disappeared totally by June Hopefully
  • calcotti
    calcotti Member Posts: 6,281 Disability Gamechanger
    janer1967 said:
    You are advised only to send new evidence that they haven't seen before 
    Despite what DWP say, for a new claim I would send whatever appears relevant regardless of whether or not DWP have hadn’t it previously.
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • janer1967
    janer1967 Member Posts: 16,314 Disability Gamechanger
    @calcotti that's an old comment I made but for sake of other members thanks for picking it up 
  • calcotti
    calcotti Member Posts: 6,281 Disability Gamechanger
    janer1967 said:
    @calcotti that's an old comment I made but for sake of other members thanks for picking it up 
    I realised it was old only after I'd posted!
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • tomm
    tomm Member Posts: 284 Pioneering
    calcotti said:
    janer1967 said:
    You are advised only to send new evidence that they haven't seen before 
    Despite what DWP say, for a new claim I would send whatever appears relevant regardless of whether or not DWP have hadn’t it previously.

    That is the issue My GP  who is hiding under his desk or too busy injecting the world for extra ££ has the consultant surgeon's Report from 2018 and x-ray reports as do CAB who are also hibernating or out of jobs There is no new evidence to provide
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Member Posts: 31,091 Disability Gamechanger
    You can request to see your medical records from your GP. https://www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/about-the-nhs/how-to-access-your-health-records/
    If you sent your evidence to CAB for a previous claim why didn't you keeps copies for yourself? You should never send anything to anyone without first taking copies.


  • tomm
    tomm Member Posts: 284 Pioneering
    edited January 23
    tomm said:
    calcotti said:
    janer1967 said:
    You are advised only to send new evidence that they haven't seen before 
    Despite what DWP say, for a new claim I would send whatever appears relevant regardless of whether or not DWP have hadn’t it previously.

    That is the issue My GP  who is hiding under his desk or too busy injecting the world for extra ££ has the consultant surgeon's Report from 2018 and x-ray reports as do CAB who are also hibernating or out of jobs There is no new evidence to provide
    What do you think your GP can contribute? Have they seen you cook? Toilet? Bathe? Read? Budget?

    They have the reports from Orthopaedic Surgeon, and other specialists as well as X-ray reports ,And list of medication, and letters of support used to get home visit, and taxi for tribunal, Because  that evidence can only help prevent the Merry go round  of assessment,  Mr,  tribunal award or rinse and repeat As without the documented evidence they say  no specialist input and try to undermine things, Or they have in the past Before i had seen an orthopaedic surgeon and other specialist, Same with the medication, not being as potent as they deemed fit in their biased opinion, they may not all be bad but in my experience i have experienced a few

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