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Breaking sad news - migrants heading for UK die after boat sinks

woodbine
woodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 5,655 Disability Gamechanger
edited December 2 in Coffee lounge
The AFP news agency is reporting that as many as 20 migrants have died after their boat sank in the channel, the boat sank just outside Calais.
Heartbreaking.  :'(

Moderator note: Here is a BBC News article, for reference: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59406355
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  • janer1967
    janer1967 Member Posts: 12,870 Disability Gamechanger
    Not seen any news today very sad 

    It's tragic that people are so desperate to put their lives in danger 
    I have professional experience in HR within public,  private, and charity sectors.  If I can help I will 
  • woodbine
    woodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 5,655 Disability Gamechanger
    I am a person with epilepsy not an epileptic, my illness doesn't define me.
  • lisathomas50
    lisathomas50 Member Posts: 4,710 Disability Gamechanger
    It is sad but common sense should tell them that a small boat is not a safe option  they would also be illegal I am sorry if I sound harsh and uncaring  but they should apply or get help from the government the UK is in a mess and can't even help people who live here 

    Again I am sorry I will help anyone but there are ways of doing things and risking life is not the way 
  • MarkM88
    MarkM88 Member Posts: 2,007 Pioneering
    @lisathomas50 the article suggests they were been exploited by criminal smugglers, so really they might not of had much say. 
  • lisathomas50
    lisathomas50 Member Posts: 4,710 Disability Gamechanger
    @MarkM88 most illegal immigrants are involved in criminal activity and such like to pay to get to UK  not all illegal immigrants do that they do just get in a Dingy and try and get here the government need to have proper rules and regulations not just turn up on a beach 
  • chiarieds
    chiarieds Community Co-Production Group Posts: 11,059 Disability Gamechanger
    edited November 24
    @lisathomas50 - I really hope you either haven't read the link, or have unfortunately misunderstood it. As Mark mentions, & the article states, these people were, ' victims of criminal smugglers.'
  • woodbine
    woodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 5,655 Disability Gamechanger
    Having seen the BBC news at 6pm I suspect that it's likely some of those drowned will be children, I say that as other boats filmed today had children onboard, lets hope I'm wrong.
    These smugglers can make £250,000 out of a "boat" load of migrants sadly it's big business.
    In comparison to where many of these people come from the UK is the land of milk and honey, the worlds 5th richest nation, with a health service free  at point of use and a great education system.
    I don't know about others but I have had little problem getting a doctors appt. inc one yesterday which i made on Monday.
    It's not quite right to say they are raising the pension age "yet again" it is currently 66 and will increase to 67 in a few years time.
    I would agree that we don't invest in the infrastructure thats another argument, but what we have is good enough, we are talking about a few thousand coming here, in the last 18 months one million people have returned home after brexit..we have the room.
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  • calcotti
    calcotti Member Posts: 3,372 Disability Gamechanger
    lisathomas50 said:.. the government need to have proper rules and regulations not just turn up on a beach 
    Arguably the number of illegal immigrants is increasing because the government has made it so much more difficult for people to apply legally.
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • lisathomas50
    lisathomas50 Member Posts: 4,710 Disability Gamechanger
    Only my opinion but its not always a good thing there are arguments both sides the government as I said should do more there are more and more reports of illegal immigrants  dying trying to get here in boats lorry underneath vehicles and as @woodbine mentioned some are children people will do anything to get  here 

    I think Russia have the right idea in one way not accepting immigrants but people do need help but it needs to be done properly because the way it's being done now people are dying 
  • vikingqueen
    vikingqueen Member Posts: 584 Pioneering
            We cannot refuse to help these desperate people, once in British waters  it is the law of the sea that we rescue them. Yes they are breaking laws but do they not also need a little compassion. Wouldn't anyone try to better their life given a choice. It isn't the 'illegal immigrants' we need to stop it's the criminals making vast amounts of money. They don't care if these people live or die they have had their payday. 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Member Posts: 24,772 Disability Gamechanger
    Some compassion is definitely needed here! There were 31 deaths from this today and at least one was a young girl. Incredibily sad indeed!
  • lisathomas50
    lisathomas50 Member Posts: 4,710 Disability Gamechanger
    I do have compassion and I it is sad the government and the law need to sort it it out its a vicious circle the criminals are doing it because the immigrants are willing to pay there is fault on both sides and there is a great need of intervention  to stop it from happening 😊 
  • calcotti
    calcotti Member Posts: 3,372 Disability Gamechanger
    Some interesting information and context here
    https://www.unhcr.org/uk/asylum-in-the-uk.html
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  • chiarieds
    chiarieds Community Co-Production Group Posts: 11,059 Disability Gamechanger
    i'm at a loss as to why you think potential immigrants are at fault as they're willing to pay; they're desperate people who are fleeing their countries, giving up all they own, or financed by their families trying to help them escape. The criminals are taking advantage of such people; the fault is theirs, & theirs alone.
    Totally with @vikingqueen & @poppy123456 with this. To me, all life is precious.
  • woodbine
    woodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 5,655 Disability Gamechanger
    The death count is now 33 and as poppy says at least one of them was a young girl, it is incredibly sad.

    Our wonderful home secetary (not) has a brain wave last week that we build wave machines to secure the channel, I think she must have been with Boris on his peppa pig visit when she dreamt that one up.

    As I alluded in an earlier post I don't understand anybody when they say we don't have the room when over 1 million people left the UK in the last 12 months, and when we have over 1.1 million job vacancies, for my money they can send the QE2 over to Calais and fill it with migrants and bring them safely to the UK.
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  • calcotti
    calcotti Member Posts: 3,372 Disability Gamechanger
    woodbine said:.. I don't understand anybody when they say we don't have the room when over 1 million people left the UK in the last 12 months, and when we have over 1.1 million job vacancies, ..
    On that point I thought this was an interesting opinion piece
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/23/britain-workers-ministers-small-boats-channel
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    The world is in a mess and for a variety of reasons lots of people are on the move. There is no easy way of managing these flows but simply attacking the most visible symptoms to suit newspaper headlines certainly isn’t going to help.
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • lisathomas50
    lisathomas50 Member Posts: 4,710 Disability Gamechanger
    As I said people need help but it's better to do it the proper way there is plenty of help where I used to live we had people from Poland  didn't work out well and they were deported back to Poland people are refused for a reason that only immigration know about its better to have immigration  and the government and the law deal with it and not have people just turning up 

    Would you take someone into your home to live that you know nothing about that just turns up ??

    Or would you be more prepared to take someone in that has gone through proper channels and have Bern given information you need to know ??


    Only a question  its the same as letting people into the UK  as I said everyone needs help and it is sad what has happend and the government need to clamp down and sort it out ti stop it happening 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Member Posts: 24,772 Disability Gamechanger
    This has nothing to do with "taking strangers into your home" :|
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Member Posts: 7,817 Disability Gamechanger
    There is no such thing as an illegal immigrant. You cannot illegally leave one country to settle in another as a citizen. A human being cannot be “illegal”. The term “illegal” is appended to attach otherness and criminal intent to something which is not criminal. It is a solely political not legal construct. Anyone using such a term needs to do a net search for the phrase “there is no such thing as an illegal immigrant”; read what comes up and then ask themselves if they really understood the issue on which they expressed an opinion. 

    Attacking migrants who have fled war, rape, trafficking, violence and worse with no insight into why small boats might seem the only option is disgraceful. This island was founded on migration and, as observed above, climate change, resource wars etc. will only accelerate this. Pulling up the drawbridge is a pig ignorant, disgraceful act of prejudice and cowardice. It will also accelerate our death rates as global warming accelerates. A basic knowledge of genetics will tell you that diversity is the key to health and survival. 
  • chiarieds
    chiarieds Community Co-Production Group Posts: 11,059 Disability Gamechanger
    Perhaps literally a world of difference in, 'there is plenty of help where I used to live we had people from Poland  didn't work out well and they were deported back to Poland,' which you have intimate knowledge about, so who did it help? & why people flee war torn countries, famine, etc.

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