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The thing about Boris..

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woodbine
woodbine Community member Posts: 11,614 Disability Gamechanger
He did commit to increasing benefits by Septembers rate of inflation which was 10.1% on that basis he would get my support.
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  • racyguy
    racyguy Community member Posts: 560 Pioneering
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    woodbine said:
    He did commit to increasing benefits by Septembers rate of inflation which was 10.1% on that basis he would get my support.
    There's a lot more to it than voting for someone that would pay the most.
    The country has moved on (downwards) since he made that offer. Things change and so might his opinion about what he would do now.
  • bg844
    bg844 Community member Posts: 3,887 Disability Gamechanger
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    He is the one who has the public mandate too… I think it should be a national choice though not just with MPs.
  • calcotti
    calcotti Community member Posts: 10,010 Disability Gamechanger
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    He is totally unfit for public office.
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  • leeCal
    leeCal Community member Posts: 7,550 Disability Gamechanger
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    To reiterate my other post on this subject;
    Almost...anyone but Boris, he was hard enough to get out last time when he dirtied his copy book several times over. He was a good orator but we need more than a bag of wind to lead us out of this mess.

    “This is my simple religion. No need for temples. No need for complicated philosophy. Your own mind, your own heart is the temple. Your philosophy is simple kindness.” 
    ― Dalai Lama XIV

  • calcotti
    calcotti Community member Posts: 10,010 Disability Gamechanger
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    leeCal said:?.He was a good orator ..
    I only ever heard waffle, bluster and lies. Pip The Pig and Kermit the Frog could probably have given better speeches themselves.
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  • Lisatho11987777
    Lisatho11987777 Scope Member Posts: 5,911 Disability Gamechanger
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    I would rather have the green party than borris Johnson he is a shambles and opens his mouth when he shouldn't 
  • woodbine
    woodbine Community member Posts: 11,614 Disability Gamechanger
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    Thats the thing with Boris you either love him or hate him, now I'm a socialist have been all my life but for my money Boris is the best they have he's an old fashioned one nation tory.
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  • racyguy
    racyguy Community member Posts: 560 Pioneering
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    bg844 said:
    He is the one who has the public mandate too… I think it should be a national choice though not just with MPs.
    Much like when the public are invited to make the choice of a Labour PM?

    Conservative Party members in the country actually have the ultimate decision. 
  • racyguy
    racyguy Community member Posts: 560 Pioneering
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    leeCal said:
    To reiterate my other post on this subject;
    Almost...anyone but Boris, he was hard enough to get out last time when he dirtied his copy book several times over. He was a good orator but we need more than a bag of wind to lead us out of this mess.

    Who do you suggest then?

  • woodbine
    woodbine Community member Posts: 11,614 Disability Gamechanger
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    racyguy said:
    bg844 said:
    He is the one who has the public mandate too… I think it should be a national choice though not just with MPs.
    Much like when the public are invited to make the choice of a Labour PM?

    Conservative Party members in the country actually have the ultimate decision. 
    which is highly unlikely this time around, in fact the new PM could be in place as early as Monday afternoon.
    It should be remembered that in the UK we don't elect our PM's ever.
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  • Cartini
    Cartini Community member Posts: 1,108 Pioneering
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    bg844 said:
    He is the one who has the public mandate too… I think it should be a national choice though not just with MPs.
    Hi,
    He does and I think he should be back in No10. 
    Unfortunately the way the voting system works, we don`t vote for the Prime Minister; we vote for the party.  The leader of that party then becomes Prime Minister.  By voting a party in the electorate is saying "we voted you in, we trust you to do the right thing (cough cough)" which includes replacing a PM for whatever reason.
    Andy

  • calcotti
    calcotti Community member Posts: 10,010 Disability Gamechanger
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    I find that media reporting has greatly muddied the situation. They keep taking about the new government when legally we still have the government elected in 2019 albeit with a revolving leadership. 

    However it is difficult to see it as the government when a new leader can completely reverse the direction and policy of the government.

    Behind this in part lies PMs behaving more like presidents. If we had proper cabinet responsibility we might see less sudden lurches from ditch to gutter and back again.
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  • bg844
    bg844 Community member Posts: 3,887 Disability Gamechanger
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    racyguy said:
    Much like when the public are invited to make the choice of a Labour PM?

    Conservative Party members in the country actually have the ultimate decision. 
    1. A National choice i.e. a GE.
    2. It’s MPs. The party had a vote on Truss.
  • leeCal
    leeCal Community member Posts: 7,550 Disability Gamechanger
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    @racyguy I think Rishi Sunak.

    “This is my simple religion. No need for temples. No need for complicated philosophy. Your own mind, your own heart is the temple. Your philosophy is simple kindness.” 
    ― Dalai Lama XIV

  • racyguy
    racyguy Community member Posts: 560 Pioneering
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    leeCal said:
    @racyguy I think Rishi Sunak.
    Too weak and a policy that will affect is all - a cap of care fees which he hates.
  • Sandy_123
    Sandy_123 Scope Member Posts: 49,826 Disability Gamechanger
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    I think the country need a bit of stability, not someone who will walk in no 10 then walk out, at least Boris will stay, so either Bojo or Rishi
  • calcotti
    calcotti Community member Posts: 10,010 Disability Gamechanger
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    bg844 said:
    racyguy said:
    Much like when the public are invited to make the choice of a Labour PM?

    Conservative Party members in the country actually have the ultimate decision. 
    1. A National choice i.e. a GE.
    2. It’s MPs. The party had a vote on Truss.
    It is the party members who have the ultimate say unless MPs choose to unit behind one person only.

    Of the 16 PMs since 1940 10 have taken office without a General Election because the party leader changed midterm. In respect of the state of the modern Tory party it is telling that out of those 10 the last three changes have been in the last 6 years with another to come.

    Winston Churchill took over in 1940 when Neville Chamberlain retired due to ill health. 
    Anthony Eden took over when Winston Churchill retired. He immediately called a general election which he won.
    Harold MacMillan took over when Anthony Eden resigned due to ill health. 
    Sir Alec Douglas Home took over when Harold MacMillan resigned due to ill health. 
    James Callaghan took over when Harold Wilson resigned.
    John Major took over after Tory MPs forced Margaret Thatcher out
    Gordon Brown took over when Tony Blair resigned.
    Theresa May took over when Cameron resigned.
    Boris Johnson took over when Theresa May resigned
    Liz Truss took over when Boris Johnson was forced out by Tory MPs. 

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  • racyguy
    racyguy Community member Posts: 560 Pioneering
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    calcotti said:
    bg844 said:
    racyguy said:
    Much like when the public are invited to make the choice of a Labour PM?

    Conservative Party members in the country actually have the ultimate decision. 
    1. A National choice i.e. a GE.
    2. It’s MPs. The party had a vote on Truss.
    It is the party members who have the ultimate say unless MPs choose to unit behind one person only.
    Just had the timetable sent to me.
    Provided that there are two candidates all conservative party members will be able to vote via online on Wednesday. The result will be out on Friday. 
  • woodbine
    woodbine Community member Posts: 11,614 Disability Gamechanger
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    Would agree to the point about 1940 indeed Chamberlain was ill, but his party forced him out of office, the King  wanted Halifax to form a govt. but ended up with Churchill as many peoples second choice, Chamberlain stayed in the govt and in the war cabinet but he died from cancer six months later.
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  • woodbine
    woodbine Community member Posts: 11,614 Disability Gamechanger
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    racyguy said:
    calcotti said:
    bg844 said:
    racyguy said:
    Much like when the public are invited to make the choice of a Labour PM?

    Conservative Party members in the country actually have the ultimate decision. 
    1. A National choice i.e. a GE.
    2. It’s MPs. The party had a vote on Truss.
    It is the party members who have the ultimate say unless MPs choose to unit behind one person only.
    Just had the timetable sent to me.
    Provided that there are two candidates all conservative party members will be able to vote via online on Wednesday. The result will be out on Friday. 
    As announced on Friday by Graham Brady, rumour is there might not be 2 candidates as Boris and Rich according to the Sunday Times are holding talks as we speak.
    2024 The year of the general election...the time for change is coming 💡

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