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  • calcotti
    calcotti Community member Posts: 10,010 Disability Gamechanger
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    yes I support them all
    chiarieds said:
    Thank you for the first link, which was indeed of interest.
    Have also found this which i think explains why the nurses strike is about more than pay.
    https://theconversation.com/its-like-being-in-a-warzone-aande-nurses-open-up-about-the-emotional-cost-of-working-on-the-nhs-frontline-194197
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  • woodbine
    woodbine Community member Posts: 11,614 Disability Gamechanger
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    yes I support them all
    The chickens as they say are coming home to roost for the Tories they could almost get away with austerity whilst inflation and interest rates were both low, but now they have hit the "perfect storm" high inflation and rising interest rates along with shocking rises in utility prices.

    I suspect they have now given up any thoughts of winning the next election. although Labour have an electoral mountain to climb to win an overall majority unless the tory vote collapses totally.
    2024 The year of the general election...the time for change is coming 💡

  • chiarieds
    chiarieds Community member Posts: 16,103 Disability Gamechanger
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    Thank you again for your link. I can truly understand this, as one little boy, who I can still picture in my mind, stands out. He was battered by his Dad as a baby; his nurses said I couldn't hope to help him. He was blind, & only had a little hearing in one ear; he used to repeatedly bang his head against a wall, & didn't tolerate any physical contact whatsoever.
    My 'physio' for some time just consisted in holding him (going home with scratches on my neck for weeks), & talking to him gently in his 'good' ear. After a while I got an orthopaedic consultant to consider lengthening his Achilles tendons. He became able to walk around with guidance, & I also got a speech therapist involved. The outcome was he became able to also feed himself, no longer bashed his head against the wall, & the last time I saw him he was sat on a nurses knee as she was singing nursery rhymes to him.
    Another considered 'hopeless' case I 'helped' was a 9 year old boy who had had a colostomy due to ulcerative colitis, then suffered a stroke during his surgery. He refused to attempt to get out of his bed & was understandably suffering from depression. He ended up going around the ward, drip in tow, handing out drinks to bed-bound children. I think I helped him get there. I think it was always the children that got to me most, tho I have had the privilege of meeting some amazing adults.
    In no way am I undermining what nurses, & other NHS staff have gone through with the pandemic. I remember shortly before I qualified being told that I needed to stand back, & not let my feelings get in the way, otherwise I couldn't help my patients; I could never reconcile myself with that, to me this went hand in hand with care, which it seems from the above link, many nurses would still agree upon.
    Again I would say things haven't changed over the decades, & some patients will always stay with you, at least from my personal experience.
  • rebel11
    rebel11 Community member Posts: 1,639 Pioneering
    edited December 2022
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    yes I support them all
    High energy prices is a problem today, largely because the Conservative / Liberal Coalition did nothing about it when they were sharing power.

    I can't remember the exact date, but between 2012 - 2015, Martin Lewis money saving expert was doing the morning shows, talking about switching 'energy companies' (no issues with that, that's what he does), five minutes later Ed Davey,  Secretary of State for Energy talked about switching 'energy companies', that was the big problem (he's a law maker and that's the best he could come up with). Switching has never been a government policy. Countless other energy ministers carried on saying the same thing since. Unless everyone switched it was never going to have a meaningful impact. Energy was a big problem before Ukraine. Funnily enough they aren't talking about switching now.

    For some stupid reason, we stopped storing gas in the UK. We sell our North Sea gas to Germany, they store it and sell it back to us at inflated prices. That's pretty much what's happened.  
     
  • Biblioklept
    Biblioklept Community member Posts: 4,682 Disability Gamechanger
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    yes I support them all
    I support them all. I was really dubious at first and it feels like there's rail and postal strikes every year.

    I do share concerns about when nurses and ambulances strike and where that leaves us all but the fact of the matter is the conditions are dangerous anyway, there aren't enough nurses or ambulance drivers. I've been so shocked when finding out how few there are covering large areas. 
    Is it that the NHS isn't being funded enough? I don't know, I imagine there are lots of area they could tighten belts. But whatever the cause, nurses, ambulance drivers and so on are not paid enough and that has a knock on to staff retention and recruitment. 


  • clover2229
    clover2229 Community member Posts: 3 Listener
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    no I think they are unrealistic with their demands
    woodbine said:
    Rail strikes, nurses strikes, ambulance strikes, postal strikes, still to come teachers strikes, possible fire brigade strikes, do you support them or do you think their demands are unrealistic?
    As a frontline health and social care worker I don't support strikes colleagues are choosing. I don't believe that striking is the only option. I've been part of the social care futures movement and other initiatives linked to the Better Care Fund. I can see how, at strategic levels within ICBs change can be lobbied for. Unions approaches are old school and outdated, like a lot of Labour affiliated policy. Putting the lives of people in our communities at further risk in an extremely overburdened system is irresponsible and has a knock on effect to the rest of us working in it. NHS nurses on band 6 or higher are already on very decent wages, especially compared to social care colleagues and don't need a 19% pay rise in my opinion. This would put most clinicians with line management roles (band 7) on wages over £50k. The NHS Trusts across different areas of the country need to sort out their top heavy hierarchical structures so those vacancies for higher paid roles can be used in flexible ways to lift many of the band 5 nurses/clinicians on to higher bands. A blanket 19% pay rise is not the answer and not fair/proportionate in my opinion. 
  • rebel11
    rebel11 Community member Posts: 1,639 Pioneering
    edited December 2022
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    yes I support them all
    The Conservative party has governed for 12 years, the NHS has been 'failed' by them, anyone thinking different is deluded. Recent claims made by them, They (NHS) would get an extra £350m each week, if we left the EU. 40 new hospitals to be built. In reality they are saying those things won't be happening, not now, not ever.  
  • clover2229
    clover2229 Community member Posts: 3 Listener
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    no I think they are unrealistic with their demands
    @clover2229
    I agree the nhs needs to get rid of a lot of the management, but saying the unions are outdated and so are Labour is , in my opinion, nonsense.
    Your obviously a Tory by the sounds of it and nurses and doctors need to be paid a lot more as we’re losing too many to the private sector!!!
    One of my step daughters is a nurse in a big hospital and the things she is expected to for no extra money is little short of madness, so she has decided to work for the private sector after years with the nhs , she didn’t want to leave but the extra money, less hours etc finally made up her mind, she’s a single mum with 3 children so every penny counts.
    If you want less and less nurses doctors etc then with the Tory government that’s exactly what you’ll get!!
    I , for one, hope that day never comes!!!
    With the cost of living crisis they deserve better wages as do all disabled people as well as those of us on benefits.
    Im sick and tired of struggling to pay bills, food etc etc, it was bad enough before the massive rise in the cost of living crisis but now it’s getting impossible!
    How many more people do you want to see in debt because they can’t pay for basic essentials etc?
    If your happy with what wages you get that’s your choice, but your only one of a few after talking to nurses and doctors over the years , when I’ve been in hospital or just an appointment I always ask them about these things and every single one of them have agreed with me that the managers waste millions on millions of pounds a year!!!!
    THAT money needs to go to nurses and doctors for better wages and that will encourage more staff to stay with the nhs and employ more as that’s what we need!
    It will never happen under the Tories as their only interested in big companies and more profit for the shareholders, it’s long overdue that these mega companies paid more tax and the shareholders stopped being so greedy!!!
    The poor and disabled are picked as they are seen as an easy target, something we must change, as many of us are trying to do.
    Follow like sheep and get nowhere fast .
    Stand up as much as we’re able and we have a chance.
    I think you have jumped to some very judgemental conclusions here and you clearly haven't read or understood what I have written in my post about the NHS banding and current wages of some clinicians, including doctors and nurses. I suspect you don't understand or appreciate this fully as you don't work as a frontline health and social care worker or get involved in conversations about ICS complications at a strategic level. I am not a Tory at all - very much the opposite in fact and spend a lot of my time campaigning for a better welfare state, more equality in communities and reduced health inequalities. I'm disabled myself. So I would encourage you to stop jumping to wild conclusions and jumping to be so confrontational when you're assuming most of what you are saying! Being critical of Labour does not make you a Tory, there are quite a few other political perspectives and it isn't that binary. Labour are too right wing and too close to the Tories in many of their policies in my opinion - they have not moved with the times and have outdated policies around traditional service models being the answer to everything. This ignores social development in ABCD and strength based, person centred approaches....and valued generalist roles which work alongside specialist roles with more equality (a lot of nurses, paramedics and GPs are generalist roles). I don't want to see less nurses and doctors and, if you read my post, you would see I am advocating for less on band 5 wages. However, those on the top of band 6 and band 7 scales should not be saying they are struggling on wages of £40-50k - this somewhat invalidates the struggles of someone on benefits who gets less than £10k a year. 
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  • Lisatho11987777
    Lisatho11987777 Scope Member Posts: 5,911 Disability Gamechanger
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    no I think they are unrealistic with their demands
    Lives are being put at risk with strikes we all want more money wish I had their money my cousin retired from the railway he was a train driver I wouldn't even get any where near whst his pension payout was and he was on good money when he was working 

    We are all in the same boat 
  • Biblioklept
    Biblioklept Community member Posts: 4,682 Disability Gamechanger
    edited January 2023
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    yes I support them all
    Lives are being put at risk with strikes we all want more money wish I had their money 

    Lives are at risk anyway. 

    Change doesn't happen without some sort of action. Throughout history it took people making a stand to make change happen.

    I stand by the strikers and wish I was brave enough to protest and stand for more too 💪
  • Biblioklept
    Biblioklept Community member Posts: 4,682 Disability Gamechanger
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    yes I support them all
    I found this table interesting


  • rebel11
    rebel11 Community member Posts: 1,639 Pioneering
    edited January 2023
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    yes I support them all
    The reason why 'lives are at risk', is pretty simple 'The NHS' has been neglected over the last 13 years. I suppose the best analogy is a 'flat tyre' slowly deflating, eventually it will stop working. The last 13 has speeded up that decline.   
      
  • rebel11
    rebel11 Community member Posts: 1,639 Pioneering
    edited January 2023
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    yes I support them all
    Conservative promises, £350m (side of bus) for the NHS when we leave the EU, 40 new hospitals.

    It must all be happening in that parallel universe that we live in, the land of 'Make Believe', just shocking, think of the statesman that have gone before, anywhere in the world. There's probably a league table, but we are 'scraping the barrel'.   

    The only leveling up that's going on is 'pot holes'.  :)
       

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