Things I wish I'd known before PIP assessment...
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April
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Just wanted to give some advice to anyone about to go for a PIP Assessment.
1. Take notes during the Assessment.
2. Be aware of the list of predictors that the Assessor uses, and ask them what they are typing. My daughter told the Assessor that she had travel training (this was just a video at Primary School!), and the Assessor typed that she could travel independently! (she can't!)
This meant that my daughter failed that section of the Assessment. Even though I explained throughout the appeals that it was just a video, the DWP kept repeating that "she had travel training". In my experience, it's impossible to get them to change it afterwards!
3. Make notes about the physical examination. I wish I had. I should have noted down exactly what happened. I should have asked what they were testing and challenged it at the time. It took a matter of minutes, and after that, it was impossible to challenge it, despite the evidence from other professionals. The DWP always prefer their own evidence.
Hope this helps someone.
1. Take notes during the Assessment.
2. Be aware of the list of predictors that the Assessor uses, and ask them what they are typing. My daughter told the Assessor that she had travel training (this was just a video at Primary School!), and the Assessor typed that she could travel independently! (she can't!)
This meant that my daughter failed that section of the Assessment. Even though I explained throughout the appeals that it was just a video, the DWP kept repeating that "she had travel training". In my experience, it's impossible to get them to change it afterwards!
3. Make notes about the physical examination. I wish I had. I should have noted down exactly what happened. I should have asked what they were testing and challenged it at the time. It took a matter of minutes, and after that, it was impossible to challenge it, despite the evidence from other professionals. The DWP always prefer their own evidence.
Hope this helps someone.
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Thanks April, yes the accessors assumes a lot and records accordingly hence the wrong information being noted and presented to the decision makers. Sometimes it better to give the minimal information so as nothing can be misconstrued.
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Sorry about the typo on my original post...that should have been "descriptors" and not "predictors"
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I thought you had to be completely honest and upfront at these face to face medicals or assessments?what is bestter telling lies I hope not as that is probably the reason why they are clamping down on so many people who obviously are in need of PiP and those who are trying it on and faking it just for the money those people make my blood boil and mess it up for the real people in need of this help and assistance?
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@janekim96P of course you tell the truth during any face 2 face assessment. Why would you lie? I'm sure there's very few people that claim these benefits fraudulently. Invisible conditions do exist and you can't possibly judge others nor can you judge a book by it's cover.
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Give the DWP an inch and they'll take a yard. Their purpose is to use the slightest excuse to fail people. If DWP didn't make so many inaccurate decisions then71% of appeals would not succeed.
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April said:Just wanted to give some advice to anyone about to go for a PIP Assessment.
1. Take notes during the Assessment.
2. Be aware of the list of predictors that the Assessor uses, and ask them what they are typing. My daughter told the Assessor that she had travel training (this was just a video at Primary School!), and the Assessor typed that she could travel independently! (she can't!)
This meant that my daughter failed that section of the Assessment. Even though I explained throughout the appeals that it was just a video, the DWP kept repeating that "she had travel training". In my experience, it's impossible to get them to change it afterwards!
3. Make notes about the physical examination. I wish I had. I should have noted down exactly what happened. I should have asked what they were testing and challenged it at the time. It took a matter of minutes, and after that, it was impossible to challenge it, despite the evidence from other professionals. The DWP always prefer their own evidence.
Hope this helps someone.
Only the claimant can raise objections or questions of the assessor that is unless someone else has prior DWP permission.
The claimant can ask what is being typed but I do doubt that they will be given a answer.
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Yadnad, I am my daughter's appointee, so I am able to assist her in assessments.
I will be joining her at the Tribunal too.
Yes, I am suggesting that people take notes during the assessment. If you want to challenge inaccuracies later on, you can only do so if you have a record of what was asked/said. Some people suggest recording it. That might be a better idea for some people. Although notes are better for the physical exam.
My point is that many Assessors don't understand the nature of certain disabilities and misunderstandings arise. If you don't ask what they are typing, you will never know if they've misunderstood. As soon as they have written that Assessment, you will have great difficulty getting them to change any mistakes.
The Assessment seems to be the most important part for the DWP, by the way. More important than Doctors letters, or hospital letters, or your own words.
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It's not about them understanding a disability. It's about the claimant giving them as much information about how their conditions affect them as possible. Filling in the form correctly with as much information as possible is the most import thing, not the assessment. During an assessment, there may not be time to give them the information you need to about your condition, which is why filling that form is so important. Conditions affect people in many different ways and you'll never have 2 people the same. There's no need for them to have an understanding about any condition.Sending in 200 A4 pieces of evidence won't help anyone if the evidence you sent doesn't prove those descriptors apply to you. Contradictions may also occur in all that evidence sent, Sending in 2 pieces of evidence that proves beyond doubt that those descriptors apply will far outweigh this.I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
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April said:Yadnad, I am my daughter's appointee, so I am able to assist her in assessments.
I will be joining her at the Tribunal too.
Yes, I am suggesting that people take notes during the assessment. If you want to challenge inaccuracies later on, you can only do so if you have a record of what was asked/said. Some people suggest recording it. That might be a better idea for some people. Although notes are better for the physical exam.
My point is that many Assessors don't understand the nature of certain disabilities and misunderstandings arise. If you don't ask what they are typing, you will never know if they've misunderstood. As soon as they have written that Assessment, you will have great difficulty getting them to change any mistakes.
The Assessment seems to be the most important part for the DWP, by the way. More important than Doctors letters, or hospital letters, or your own words.
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poppy123456 said:It's not about them understanding a disability. It's about the claimant giving them as much information about how their conditions affect them as possible. Filling in the form correctly with as much information as possible is the most import thing, not the assessment. During an assessment, there may not be time to give them the information you need to about your condition, which is why filling that form is so important. Conditions affect people in many different ways and you'll never have 2 people the same. There's no need for them to have an understanding about any condition.Sending in 200 A4 pieces of evidence won't help anyone if the evidence you sent doesn't prove those descriptors apply to you. Contradictions may also occur in all that evidence sent, Sending in 2 pieces of evidence that proves beyond doubt that those descriptors apply will far outweigh this.
Unfortunately, and I keep saying this, it all depends on the ability of the claimant to carry out that action. Not everyone is minded for many reasons to be able to express themselves in the best way. Help and assistance is extremely difficult to find especially good help.
What then are we left with? Claimants who are lucky enough to have the ability and claimants that are lucky enough to access good welfare advice and help.
That leaves the third category in that no matter what they do they will generally always undersell their issues and consequently end up with a poor report, a bad decision and have to put up with the stresses of a Tribunal hearing some 12 months down the line having to suffer a large reduction in their income in the meantime.
As for gathering evidence, that too in itself can be a major obstacle for that third group of claimants - not knowing/realising what they should be looking for as well understanding where they can access it.
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Sometimes it isn't helpful to always be saying to seek out help from the start of the claim - we all know that it is impossible to access in many areas of this country.
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@poppy123456 I think the original form is probably important for some disabilities, but sadly not for things like autism and other learning disabilities.
If the Assessor lacks knowledge about learning difficulties, for instance, they will ignore the original form and type that they don't have any problems.
In those cases, the forms and the medical evidence are treated as worthless by the DWP.
That's why it's important to ensure that the Assessor understands the disability. Don't assume that they will. My daughter's Assessor was only a Nurse, and she didn't have a clue. -
It's important for all disabilities. ASD and learning disabilities still affect people in totally different ways. I know this because my daughter has both, as well as a social anxiety disorder. No 2 people are the same.
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April said:@poppy123456 I think the original form is probably important for some disabilities, but sadly not for things like autism and other learning disabilities.
If the Assessor lacks knowledge about learning difficulties, for instance, they will ignore the original form and type that they don't have any problems.
In those cases, the forms and the medical evidence are treated as worthless by the DWP.
That's why it's important to ensure that the Assessor understands the disability. Don't assume that they will. My daughter's Assessor was only a Nurse, and she didn't have a clue.
There you go I could have told her that I go round eating frogs at night for supper for all that she knew.
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poppy123456 said:It's important for all disabilities. ASD and learning disabilities still affect people in totally different ways. I know this because my daughter has both, as well as a social anxiety disorder. No 2 people are the same.
That's why I wanted to tell people that the Assessment is the most important part. The DWP, as I understand it (and certainly in my daughter's case) go with the Assessment.
I thought the DWP would read my original form and the medical notes, and give more weight to those. They didn't. They chose to believe a Nurse who had no knowledge or understanding of my daughter's rare disability.
So my advice is to make sure that the Assessor understands everything about the disability. What the Assessor types is the most important part, in my experience.
I actually asked the DWP why they chose to believe the Assessor above the medical evidence. They replied that the Assessor had been given training in disabilities! I wonder how much training they are given though. And how can it be as good as someone who has expertise in the condition? -
The decision maker mostly goes with the report, it's rare to go against it. This is why the report is written. The reason it's important to put as much information down on the form is because during the assessment there may not be enough of time to answer all the questions with as much detail as possible. If the forms are filled out correctly with all the details about how your conditions affect you then they will already have the information. The assessment will just be to go over a few things, which is what it's meant to be for. So, on this occasion we'll have to agree to disagree. If you're going through a MR/Tribunal good luck and i hope you get the decision that's right for your daughter.
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poppy123456 said:The decision maker mostly goes with the report, it's rare to go against it. This is why the report is written. The reason it's important to put as much information down on the form is because during the assessment there may not be enough of time to answer all the questions with as much detail as possible. If the forms are filled out correctly with all the details about how your conditions affect you then they will already have the information. The assessment will just be to go over a few things, which is what it's meant to be for. So, on this occasion we'll have to agree to disagree. If you're going through a MR/Tribunal good luck and i hope you get the decision that's right for your daughter.
If for example you claim to not be able to walk more than 20 metres - you give the reason backed up with medical evidence and you explain in detail what happens if you try to walk beyond this level - if the assessor thinks that you are exaggerating your difficulties then that is what the DWP will accept.
I've been there myself with evidence of why I have that difficulty, the proof being an assessment in hospital on a walking machine undertaken by the spinal unit. Then explained what happens if I try to exceed my limit.
The assessor disagreed and said that I can walk more than 200metres with no difficulties.
I did tell the assessor at my third assessment at the start that she might as well not bother wasting my time and her's as what I have written and the evidence I have produced will be ignored and she will write something totally different in the report as per usual. So to cut the **** can we now conclude?
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2 Tips for the PIP assessment.
Read what the assessor has typed, it;s states in the book that you can read what the assessor is/has typed.
Record the assessment, you must provide the equipment.
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poppy123456 said:The decision maker mostly goes with the report, it's rare to go against it. This is why the report is written. The reason it's important to put as much information down on the form is because during the assessment there may not be enough of time to answer all the questions with as much detail as possible. If the forms are filled out correctly with all the details about how your conditions affect you then they will already have the information. The assessment will just be to go over a few things, which is what it's meant to be for. So, on this occasion we'll have to agree to disagree. If you're going through a MR/Tribunal good luck and i hope you get the decision that's right for your daughter.
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Yadnad said:poppy123456 said:The decision maker mostly goes with the report, it's rare to go against it. This is why the report is written. The reason it's important to put as much information down on the form is because during the assessment there may not be enough of time to answer all the questions with as much detail as possible. If the forms are filled out correctly with all the details about how your conditions affect you then they will already have the information. The assessment will just be to go over a few things, which is what it's meant to be for. So, on this occasion we'll have to agree to disagree. If you're going through a MR/Tribunal good luck and i hope you get the decision that's right for your daughter.
If for example you claim to not be able to walk more than 20 metres - you give the reason backed up with medical evidence and you explain in detail what happens if you try to walk beyond this level - if the assessor thinks that you are exaggerating your difficulties then that is what the DWP will accept.
I've been there myself with evidence of why I have that difficulty, the proof being an assessment in hospital on a walking machine undertaken by the spinal unit. Then explained what happens if I try to exceed my limit.
The assessor disagreed and said that I can walk more than 200metres with no difficulties.
I did tell the assessor at my third assessment at the start that she might as well not bother wasting my time and her's as what I have written and the evidence I have produced will be ignored and she will write something totally different in the report as per usual. So to cut the **** can we now conclude? -
chrisvanf said:2 Tips for the PIP assessment.
Read what the assessor has typed, it;s states in the book that you can read what the assessor is/has typed.
Record the assessment, you must provide the equipment.
I presume the assessor would argue that for safety reasons they would refuse you access just in case you object strongly to what has been typed.
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