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Why aren't SatNavs counted in PIP?

George1George1 Member Posts: 5 Listener
edited October 2018 in PIP, DLA and AA
Hello to one and all. 
I've just received my judgement and although I had advanced rate mobility on DLA I have been rejected on the "planning and following a route" despite repeatedly saying I need someone with me I score 0. I'm going for retrial and will let you know the outcome. 
Anybody understand why Satnav's are not allowed, We couldn't go anywhere new without it as the commentary is excellent and it re-routes around roadworks etc. 

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  • steve51steve51 Community champion Posts: 7,175 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @George1

    Good Morning it’s great to meet you today.

    We have got some info on “Benefit’s” here on our site.

    I will post a link below for you

    https://search.scope.org.uk/s/redirect?collection=scope-meta&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scope.org.uk%2Fsupport%2Fdisabled-people%2Fbenefits%2Fpip&index_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scope.org.uk%2Fsupport%2Fdisabled-people%2Fbenefits%2Fpip&auth=OdCmUepX8Eu01lD6Q10Fhg&profile=_default&rank=1&query=Pip

    We have got more info & advice here on our website/Community.

    Please please let me know if I can help/support you further????

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  • thespicemanthespiceman Member Posts: 6,408 Disability Gamechanger
    Hello @George1 Pleased to meet you .

    Sorry what has happened. I want to wish you the best in any appeal you have. For a successful outcome. We as a community are here to give you support and advice.

    I do not understand that either why satnavs not allowed. In agreement with you there.

    One piece of advice speak to some one like CAB for any appeals lots of support, guidance and information. Helped me with forms.

    Hope that helps.

    We are a supportive, friendly community. Please ask if we can help.

    Pleasure to meet you

    Take care

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  • Ami2301Ami2301 Community champion Posts: 7,175 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @George1 welcome to the community!

    Sorry to hear what happened. Did you go into the assessment by yourself or with someone?
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  • George1George1 Member Posts: 5 Listener
    I went on my own as the person who was going with me was taken ill just before we were due to leave for the f2f and I admit I sort of panicked about the cancel twice rule. The first f2f was cancelled by the dwp 30mins before I was due to leave. I thought that if I cacel this and are then ill on the day of the 3rd f2f I would lose it all, so like a fool I went alone. I found out I had messed up when my daughter rang to see how I got on, I felt a right idiot... Plz don't agree!!!! 




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  • George1George1 Member Posts: 5 Listener
    Many thanks to you all for the help and advice I will definitely contact CAB
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    A satnav isn't an aid for following and planning a journey because lots of people use them. If this was classed as an aid then everyone would be claiming PIP mobility for following and planning a journey. I'm sure most people wouldn't travel anywhere new without one. Needing to use a satnav will most certainly not get you any points for following and planning a journey. Scoring points in this will totally depend how your conditions affect you.

    I'd advise getting further help and advice because it's extremely difficult to advise on an internet forum because no one knows how your conditions affect you daily.

    You say a retrial? Do you mean Mandatory Reconsideration (MR) or Tribunal? MR is the first step and you can't take it to Tribunal without first asking for this.
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  • George1George1 Member Posts: 5 Listener
    Thanks Poppy123456.
    I'm going for an MR. 
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  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,420 Disability Gamechanger
    The case law on satnavs is that they don’t count as an aid unless explicitly designed for use by a disabled person. That would make sense if some satnavs were but those few that were are no longer on the market. I’ve been looking for a test case on this for ages but unless you’re in my geographical area you need to find someone in your area willing to run such a case as a test case.
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  • George1George1 Member Posts: 5 Listener
    Thanks Mike, I've never heard of specially adapted Satnav's but I will certainly have a good look round. 
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  • YadnadYadnad Member - under moderation Posts: 2,862 Disability Gamechanger
    mikehughescq said:
    The case law on satnavs is that they don’t count as an aid unless explicitly designed for use by a disabled person. That would make sense if some satnavs were but those few that were are no longer on the market. I’ve been looking for a test case on this for ages but unless you’re in my geographical area you need to find someone in your area willing to run such a case as a test case.
    Yet I believe that if you have to sit on your bed, chair or hold on to a central heating radiator to get dressed and undressed etc those are treated as an aid!!! 
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  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,420 Disability Gamechanger
    Nope. The bed issue was part of a well known case which decided that it could not be in most circumstances. 
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