Staff referral manual for DLA and AA seems to be the same as for PIP. What are your thoughts?

Headcook
Headcook Online Community Member Posts: 78 Connected
edited October 2022 in PIP, DLA, ADP and AA
Have a claim for pip 
and had phone assessment await results 
been searching online and found a 
staff referral manual with lists of medical conditions and guidance for decision makers on what outcome should be based on common symptoms with many conditions
says it’s for  DLA an AA 
when I search exact thing but for pip 
it goes to same guidance 
has anyone else seen this and what are thoughts on this and pip 

thank you 

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  • Headcook
    Headcook Online Community Member Posts: 78 Connected
    Thank you 
    Yes I did wonder if it may not be relevant 
    just seems strange as is dla  not point based on symptoms same as pip ?
    seeing as it was dla replacement 
    too
    Just found myself thinking there must be guidance for all decision makers somewhere 
    I have chronic heart failure 
    and this would not differ
    if I was claiming for dla 
    everyone needs to have a fair assessment 

    thank you again 

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,458 Championing
    DLA wasn't based on points. It was based on day/night time care needs. There is a decision makers guide but it's extremely long. You can see everything here. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/decision-makers-guide-vol-1-decision-making-and-appeals-staff-guide


  • ChiChi
    ChiChi Online Community Member Posts: 50 Connected
    woodbine said:
    PIP in some ways is different to DLA,  the thing to remember about PIP is that it is not awarded for an illness/condition but for care and/or mobility issues you have.
    But on the Government website they state it is based on .....please see 1.1.1
  • ChiChi
    ChiChi Online Community Member Posts: 50 Connected

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,458 Championing
    ChiChi said:
    woodbine said:
    PIP in some ways is different to DLA,  the thing to remember about PIP is that it is not awarded for an illness/condition but for care and/or mobility issues you have.
    But on the Government website they state it is based on .....please see 1.1.1

    Which is very misleading because it's not awarded based on any of those conditions.
  • ChiChi
    ChiChi Online Community Member Posts: 50 Connected
    edited October 2022
    poppy123456 said:
    ChiChi said:
    woodbine said:
    PIP in some ways is different to DLA,  the thing to remember about PIP is that it is not awarded for an illness/condition but for care and/or mobility issues you have.
    But on the Government website they state it is based on .....please see 1.1.1

    Which is very misleading because it's not awarded based on any of those conditions.
    This is why there are a lot of claimant's who are confused about what the criteria is.
  • Headcook
    Headcook Online Community Member Posts: 78 Connected
    Yes I’m one who is confused

    DLA in the manual for decision makers states chronic heart failure 
    life time award 
    goes on to state all the obstacles that are faced with people 
    And how it affects you 

    So my thoughts were they no how by reading there manual how conditions affect applicants so must no how we describe our obstacles as fact 

    I could be being to black and white   Lol 
  • bg844
    bg844 Online Community Member Posts: 3,928 Championing
    DLA and AA are massively different benefits to PIP. Please do not read that guide again, it’s no longer properly used anymore anyway and as for children an award long-term would take them to their 17th birthday (the extra year to give PIP time to make a decision although if you’re awarded before this or do not comply then it ends straightaway after they’ve wrote to the child about PIP).

    As for the screenshot above, it is very misleading. If you read the other official guides you will see this too.
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,458 Championing
    bg844 said:
     for children an award long-term would take them to their 17th birthday (the extra year to give PIP time to make a decision although if you’re awarded before this or do not comply then it ends straightaway after they’ve wrote to the child about PIP).



    With the exception of Scotland where DLA is for those up to the age of 18. Once they reach this age they will be transferred to Adult Disability Payment (ADP) https://www.gov.scot/news/16-year-olds-will-no-longer-need-to-apply-for-pip-in-scotland/

  • Headcook
    Headcook Online Community Member Posts: 78 Connected
    I’m completely out of my depth with all this and was simply looking for some answers by reading the manual 
    I really don’t need to be told what I can and can’t read 
    and info regards children is off my topic 
    I will be removing myself from this site 

    thanks 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,458 Championing
    Headcook said:
    and info regards children is off my topic 

    Why is the information about children off topic? You were asking why the guide you were reading doesn’t refer to PIP but you were reading about DLA and AA. They are completely different benefits to PIP. 
    DLA only exists children. 
    You asked what people’s thoughts were and they have you their thoughts. 

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