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  • sundontshine123
    sundontshine123 Community member Posts: 92 Courageous
    If you was awarded standard rate daily you keep that are you doing mr for mobility?
    good luck
  • jose2
    jose2 Community member Posts: 127 Pioneering
    Correction -she said I WILL NOT BE REASSESSD for PIP
  • johnny100
    johnny100 Community member Posts: 125 Pioneering
    You should tell them that old evidence cannot be used,they tried that with me.It is just a way to make the decision makers life easy and to see what points you got.Tell them this is PIP 2017 not DLA .They have no right to use old evidence thats why you filled in the new PIP.Regarding losing evidence why should you have to go looking for it when you have already sent it,it shows there lack of keeping your information safely.I dont know about stopping your benefit but its worth asking DWP if it does.Regarding not leaving her chair,again I have this problem with the assessor nor reading back to me what was typed on the screen,it could have been anything.I believe that you should be in sight of the screen to see what is actually been typed.,I dont know if this fact is actually true or not
  • jose2
    jose2 Community member Posts: 127 Pioneering
    Johnny100,   Read again on another site ,I could have looked at some things that I should have been able to see while at the assessment, i/e computer while she was typing  ,(she had it completely turned to face her) she -on one side of the desk to me,  ,I didn't ask, shame on me for not been quick enough! also as you ,she could have been typing anything about me! and she never asked me and never even offered  If I  wanted her to read it back to me,to make sure there was no inconsistancies with all the information I gave her.
  • jose2
    jose2 Community member Posts: 127 Pioneering
    Sundonshine, did you mean am I doing more to get mobility, yes I am, they've only awarded  me Standard rate now.For last 14 yrs been on higher rate and able to get mobility car,that will be taken off me by 17th April, so upset about that, and have no other mode of transport so will be a recluse.how I can I be getting suddenly better ,according to them at 67 ,the illnesses ,conditions I had back then are increasing and much worse.
  • sundontshine123
    sundontshine123 Community member Posts: 92 Courageous
    Sorry to hear that, its just a terrible mess. Are you appealing both?
    i lost my award so got M R in awaiting decision. The whole PIP journey has made me so ill. 
    Its so unfair. 
  • johnny100
    johnny100 Community member Posts: 125 Pioneering
    I have sent countless letters back,phoned,and most important is the vital evidence,My corncern is the award for daily living.All the question use the word help,my PIP gave me 2 points for each where applicable,I keep saying to them the word help assistance supervision .Just basic points no points for the words I mentioned,why I do not know.They said help is included in the points awarded,what a load of tripe,thats why they show different levels of points at each question,can they not read there own rules.It has now got to the point where I have E mailed the MP responsible for Disability,no doubt get no positive answer from them,go round the houses without giving it to you bluntly.I will keep on writing to whoever to get someone to be made accountable for this sham  
  • BenefitsTrainingCo
    BenefitsTrainingCo Community member Posts: 2,621 Pioneering
    Hi Wildlife

    There's a lot of posts here and i'm not sure whether there's a need for any further help from us. Do post back if there is!

    David
    The Benefits Training Co:

  • jose2
    jose2 Community member Posts: 127 Pioneering
    Sundontshine and johnny,I too like you both, feel now so ill,even sat at computer looking and looking at different web pages on Parliament speeches, benefits and welfare advice,and how to go through myriad of ways to fight back ( I'm shattered wreck)I'm sat on a night scribbling in note pad all things I have to go through with doctor,who I see again next week,then making lists of all specialists appointsments whom I have seen over last 14 years,letter for this and that on such and such diagnosis,I should't have to go through all this and neither should anyone else,since last week when I got my report, I have hardly had anything to eat,and sleeping ,well that's almost non-exsistant.Can't understand why they have and use a different type of language to express what's wrong with me and how my illnesses affect me,-"discriptor's"-what the hell does that mean,did I suddenly start speaking in tongues when I was in that room with that nurse ,I had put down in a previous post, " thought I had been suddenly been given a get well pill or passed out or left the room" when It came to mobility side of assessment according to letter recieved
  • johnny100
    johnny100 Community member Posts: 125 Pioneering
    What you need to do is ask the People who are doing your assessment to send a Referal to your GP.When tou visit the Doctor explain that you have spoken to ATOS/Capita and you need as much information is available on your medical records for them to write a detailed report.A doctor gets paid about £30 for writing the referral.It might be worth noting down your medical concerns,no matter whow trivial.If you have walking difficulties you have to say you cannot walk more than 20 mtrs,and even then its a struggle,you need plenty of rest  before carrying on.If you use walking sticks tell them,tell thenm the sticks are only there to support you.Do not fall into the trap of saying yes they help you,no they do not.You must stress the words supervision.assistance,help if you do not mention these words they assume you can carry out all the tasks.Your doctor must also include words to the same as I have written for you.
  • sundontshine123
    sundontshine123 Community member Posts: 92 Courageous
    Its absolutely terrible what these people put you through. I know the feeling not sleeping eating jotting things down getting angry with yourself. Not sleeping as it is at front of your mind. So you back up looking at report and decision makers letter then on internet looking for answers not finding them. Calm down 5/10 minz and process start again. I had to call mh team as i need extra support. I have welfare rights next week been nearly month wait to see them as there so bogged down with people in same boat.
    if i have to appeal least they will direct me in right place as did MR did myself.
  • wildlife
    wildlife Community member Posts: 1,293 Pioneering
    Hi everyone, It's so sad reading all your posts about how you feel cheated. I had a call back from ATOS this morning from the manager dealing with my complaint and will stick to the original subject of this discussion in saying that she assured me my assessor was a qualified Paramedic and that no-one could get away with getting the job if they were not qualified. Do I believe her? I really don't know. How do you believe anyone from ATOS? I think we need to know what information we can have before the assessment about the assessor's qualifications. This would be important for anyone especially with mental health problems as ATOS have specialists, so they say, who can either do your assessment or sit in with the other assessor. So can we insist on this. A lot of questions still need answering.
  • Matilda
    Matilda Community member Posts: 2,593 Disability Gamechanger
    'Qualified' paramedics are not much more medically knowledgeable than advanced first aiders.
  • sundontshine123
    sundontshine123 Community member Posts: 92 Courageous
  • Matilda
    Matilda Community member Posts: 2,593 Disability Gamechanger
  • jose2
    jose2 Community member Posts: 127 Pioneering

    Unsure as to whether to write anything here,but here goes!,yesterday I received a copy of a letter someone from the health care team  who is supporting me with this  mandatory reconsideration ,which was sent to PIP 29th March 2017,

     On the 20th March received a letter from PIP ,and after assessment done 8th March about that, me now would get the  rates of payments-  cut mobility to standard from original Higher and care raised to standard from Lower, I rang ,and asked if I could speak to "The Decision Maker" on the 20th, said he would consider all I'd said,I also told him there is a letter in more detail sent to you by me  which was posted Sunday 19th March and may though, not receive it until Tues or Wednesday,he said he would take that too into consideration when making a decision,then today 31st March  I received a letter from PIP telling me more or less that a Decision had been made and when the payments will be made to me,so rang them again as I thought that's a bit quick! ,they haven't even taken or not received the letter from Health Care Team yet! ,rang this girl ,she happened to mention abt their decision abt me ,c/o MR, but I would  receive the Decision  by post in the next few days,so asked her I'd like to know now , if possible over the phone ,and she said the decision is as, and stays at Standard for both,so from the 20th  to ? 30th  March(maybe even decided after I spoke to him on 20th  for all I know)  they have taken nothing into consideration,my letter (7 pages long ) and not received collaborative letter via Heath Team yet! So I went onto ask this girl about payments and they have given a quote of  monies I will receive every month,asked her if she had a callilator to hand, as the figures were wrong (so everyone should check their amounts due ) quoted £255.14,my reckoning came £310.60,she argued with me at first, said I was been rude to her and didn't like my tone ,but I persisted.,and finally she agreed with me.

    After I spoke to her rang Health Team and told them that they had Decided already ,she said how could they have come to a Decision yet they haven't  received the letter from us yet ,said, ring them back,I did that and asked why a Decision had be made so soon on me when they have not received this letter ,"told they would look at all again" ,"now who's fooling who here"! ,this now has given me less and  less  faith in justice  in this country for all Disabled People. 

    All these posts should be sent to Parliament in protest at what Disabled people are having done to them.Their lives ,lively-hoods and independence taken away from them at the sweep of a pen by some inexperienced nurse /paramedic /or even some jo-blogs off the street for assessors ( and a pen pusher who needs a job and good pay @ £30.000 a year ). Off now to write a letter to ATOS- livid I am

  • johnny100
    johnny100 Community member Posts: 125 Pioneering
    yes the Decision makers think they are above there job title,I can assure everyone that your folder goes from one desk to anther and so on.It has tick boxes that show its already been seen.They dare not repel a decision makers decision,its like saying dont tell me how to do my job..
  • jose2
    jose2 Community member Posts: 127 Pioneering

    I'm halfway  through writing my  letter, " its like a novel",I will if I so minded to send everyone in govement departments, copies , "The Queen" if have to !,,as I stated in one part of this letter ,Oncologist I have seen from 2012, stats and his experience about  my condition c/o cancer ,stats on same were I had 5 years with treatment and 5 without ,and I,am now 3 months into the 6th year. and have told them "I will not go away !!! until my demise if and when that maybe".This isn't just for me its for all young ,working disabled,for all disabled people,

    Apparently saw a clip by a friend on her phone of an MP raging with passion  from him and he almost in tears  in Parliament  about what ATOS and these other private companies were doing c/o disabled people,and that he had a man one ofcostuants and many more  coming to his surgery "weeping" at what they done to him after years of receiving DLA,

    When I receive this this link to this (I haven't received it as yet will post on this site)




     

  • wildlife
    wildlife Community member Posts: 1,293 Pioneering
    Hi @jose2, ATOS complaints so far will not accept that I did not take the PLASTIC LABEL off a bottle of water while holding it between my knees. I may be a bit confused and forgetful at times but have not forgotten that it's the little thing on the top you unscrew to drink the water. My hubby was witness to this never happening but he's not an independent witness apparently. It's getting totally ridiculous when an assessor can get away with telling a lie like this. back to qualifications being only a Paramedic she knew nothing of Opthalmic migraines. I had a Paramedic out to me in Feb. after having 5 in a week and he didn't know what they were either. Also they don't know what peripheral neuropathy is and NEED to know to decide whether I need help in the shower. You can't assess how an illness or disability affects someone if you don't know what it is in the first place !!!!!
  • johnny100
    johnny100 Community member Posts: 125 Pioneering
    I too got picked up on a small thing.You want to ask ATOS if they had a cameara in the interview room,which I believe they do,they will say they dont.My  wife helped me to put on my coat but I zipped it up my sely,I have grip problems in my left hand and yes I did zip up,for goodness sake  the zip on my jacket is quite large.Well if they saw this they must have cameras,otherwise it would not have been mentioned. 

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