PIP report seems like its discriminating. is it?

Eadiesmummy1

If its me just over exaddurating please say. 
My pip report for socialising states no points because "you have a mobile phone with a data, minutes and text package, therefore i have decided that you can communicate and socialise without the aid of another person" am i being extreme here or is the decision maker trying to say that disabled people shouldnt have a mobile phone? The only way i can freely communicate and express myself or ask for help and i have recieved no points for using my own independence. i feel absolutely disgusted. Sorry for the mini rant x

pixie61

I felt discriminated against too, cos I was tidy, clean & could hold a conversation! In my MR I said as much! So no it’s not you over exaggerating 

Misscleo

Totally agree with you.
Same as the govenment tell us we should do 10.000 steps a day for our health. But pip tells us we will get punished if we try to walk more than 20 mrts.
The govenment should step in and tell pip that its not allowed to ruin.people health by stopping us having a stroll

wilko

Hello, when we fill in our PIP application forms we inform, declare our inabilities and abilities to meet the PIP descriptors, and at our F2F acessment the acessor goes through the application form asking us questions about each activity to award us points relating to each PIP descriptor. Before and during your acessment you will have been watched by CTV inside and outside the acessment center, so the acessor will know a fair bit about your abilities before you meet and as the acessment progresses the conversations you have between you and the acessor will indecate your social skills without you realising it and the same for your memory skills. It a kind of suttle interrogation with us knowing it. Yes we go well presented, where not tramps we take pride in our appearance our wife, partners wouldn’t let out unless dress ok. 

Eadiesmummy1

Just been turned down for LCWRA by UC too. I have asked for written decision and reasoning as i meet at least 2 of the descriptors xx 

poppy123456

Eadiesmummy1 said:

Just been turned down for LCWRA by UC too. I have asked for written decision and reasoning as i meet at least 2 of the descriptors xx 

Did you send evidence of how your conditions affect you against those descriptors? You can ask for a copy of the assessment report. The next stage is the MR, same as PIP. Good luck.

Eadiesmummy1

Hi @poppy123456 i have yes, going to obtain further evidence to send off too. Thank you im sure i will need it xx

synergy2120

the used that one against me as well. Said that i could communicate fine as i owned a mobile phone. Just seemed like a really petty reason compared to all the evidence they had 

mikehughescq

Stupid argument? Yes. Discrimination? No.

Tardis

Misscleo said:

Totally agree with you.
Same as the govenment tell us we should do 10.000 steps a day for our health. But pip tells us we will get punished if we try to walk more than 20 mrts.
The govenment should step in and tell pip that its not allowed to ruin.people health by stopping us having a stroll

I can't tell whether this is a joke, or if you are deadly serious!  Oh, if only my wheelchair using daughter could walk 10000 steps a day!  She would be delighted to trade in her enhanced mobility claim for an enhancement to her mobility.

Eadiesmummy1

I just think that a mobile is a lifeline to so many people, especially on bad days, i use mine to ring for help, make care arrangements for my daughter when im hospitalised, arrange appointments etc. I just think that its not very fair. My cousin a DRUG ADDICT owns a mobile phone and he is on enhanced for both parts with no other problems other than those he has self inflicted, owns a mobile phone which he uses for Facebook, to ring the dealer and to play on snapchat, he wasnt scruitinised for having it- but someone like me who has no social media accounts, never taken a drug in my life other than prescribed medications and has more health problems at 22 than my 80 odd year old grandmother is not entitled to it. I think the system needs a kick up the bottom. xx

cristobal

Misscleo said:

Totally agree with you.
Same as the govenment tell us we should do 10.000 steps a day for our health. But pip tells us we will get punished if we try to walk more than 20 mrts.
The govenment should step in and tell pip that its not allowed to ruin.people health by stopping us having a stroll

Misscleo.....are people being"punished'?

If you can walk more than 20m then you will score less points for mobility than if you can't. You may qualify for an award for mobility, or in other areas.

Tardis

@Eadiesmummy1; I agree that simple ownership of a mobile shouldn't affect a PIP claim in any respect.  Almost everyone has a mobile.  The way you use a phone might be relevant to activities 7 & 8 (Verbal and written communication) but not activity 9 on Engaging face to face. 

As far as your cousin goes, for PIP it doesn't matter that his problems are self inflicted, just that he has them.  Otherwise, where would it stop?  So many conditions could be said to be self inflicted.

patriciahendy

my dear friend was questioned regarding her mobile 'phone. She also had to list the schools she attended (??) and  the "assessor" reported back to the DWP that she was carrying a plastic bag ( it contained a few sheets of paper) Given that her spinal condition is deteriorating (doctors and other medical personnel were very concerned after getting the results of her recent x-ray) These monsters are looking for the "least little thing" to pick up on and justify withdrawing benefits. The "nasty party" always appear to target society's vulnerable. If there is a change of government PIP will go, bedroom tax will go.

Tardis

When there is a change of government.  Not if.  It will happen.  Of course, they might not make the legislative changes we hope for.

Eadiesmummy1

patriciahendy said:

my dear friend was questioned regarding her mobile 'phone. She also had to list the schools she attended (??) and  the "assessor" reported back to the DWP that she was carrying a plastic bag ( it contained a few sheets of paper) Given that her spinal condition is deteriorating (doctors and other medical personnel were very concerned after getting the results of her recent x-ray) These monsters are looking for the "least little thing" to pick up on and justify withdrawing benefits. The "nasty party" always appear to target society's vulnerable. If there is a change of government PIP will go, bedroom tax will go.

it was noted that i grasped my letter without issue, therefore i can pick up pans without difficulty in respect of preparing a meal. BIG weight difference. i laughed when i read it xx 

wilko

Very few people have or use a land line phone while at home, we haven’t had one for seven years been mobile for so long now nearly forget how to use hands free landline phone. Plus being mobile you always can be contacted or contact somebody for help if needed. I have an e-reader, iPad plus a laptop but I can bearly hold the reader or iPad to use without proping them up to use. To heavy strain on the my wrists.

stree

Seems quite simple to me:

If you can use a mobile phone, then you have sufficient cognitive skills and dexterity to do so. Same as any able bodied person. So no points.

So how does anyone expect to gain any points from this?

If you had great difficulty in using a phone physically, or being able to speak in a clear understandable manner then you could expect to get points accordingley.

Either you can use a phone as well as any ablebodied person and get no points, or you cannot, and get appropriate points.

People fail to read the literature before making a claim and are then suprised and angry when they do not get the points they expect from an assessment.

Yadnad

stree said:

Seems quite simple to me:

If you can use a mobile phone, then you have sufficient cognitive skills and dexterity to do so. Same as any able bodied person. So no points.

So how does anyone expect to gain any points from this?

If you had great difficulty in using a phone physically, or being able to speak in a clear understandable manner then you could expect to get points accordingley.

Either you can use a phone as well as any ablebodied person and get no points, or you cannot, and get appropriate points.

People fail to read the literature before making a claim and are then suprised and angry when they do not get the points they expect from an assessment.

I have to agree entirely with you. You also have the matter of driving a car which also shows both mental and physical dexterity.

poppy123456

stree said:

Seems quite simple to me:

If you can use a mobile phone, then you have sufficient cognitive skills and dexterity to do so. Same as any able bodied person. So no points.

That's totally ridiculous. My daughter has a learning disability, which clearly states in the written report that she has cognitive issues amongst many other issues far greater than her peers. She uses her mobile phone because she's been shown how to use it over and over again.

For the PIP descriptors she scored 2 points for activity 8 and 4 points for activity 9.

stree

Your finding are empirical Poppy so I cannot argue with them.

I was more referring to the cases in this thread.