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Is it true about PIP LAW CAHANGES?

ToffeeToffee Member Posts: 250 Pioneering
Is it true the points system  as changed on pip? and any points scored  on prompt you should  of been scored supervision = 4 points?
And there going to reveiw claims back to 2016?
As I read this on Google news today  and it said mind was backing this 

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  • Hayd1994Hayd1994 Member Posts: 3 Listener
    I saw the same article Toffee. Looks to be legitimate, however with the DWP you never know. They'll find some way of getting out paying people if they can. 
  • ToffeeToffee Member Posts: 250 Pioneering
    It's about time to and yes I agree they will thank you for your reply 
  • chiariedschiarieds Community champion Posts: 6,289 Disability Gamechanger
    This only affects some people awarded between 6th April 2016 & 17th September 2020. Only those where if the points would mean an award would be given, or if it would change an award from the standard, to the enhanced rate, will be contacted. When the DWP will look into this I don't know. Here's a link which summarises this: http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/images/image/samples/PIP_engage_changes.pdf

  • ToffeeToffee Member Posts: 250 Pioneering
    Thank you is it just one they change to engage with anorher person? As looking back on my old reports. Prompting used on nearly every points I scored? 
  • chiariedschiarieds Community champion Posts: 6,289 Disability Gamechanger
    It's just about the 'Engaging with other people face to face' descriptor/activity, & only where, if a change was made, this would result in an award, or an increase in an existing award of the daily living component.
  • hasshass Member Posts: 82 Connected
    Hi all Hope your well 
    Does anyone know if  DWP are renewing  ESA 

  • ToffeeToffee Member Posts: 250 Pioneering
    I scored 10 points daily living 2 of that was was engageing with other ppl. Mixing with ppl Yr 2018 /2020 so dose it effect me? 
  • ToffeeToffee Member Posts: 250 Pioneering
    Sorry has I don't know some one will answer your question there good on here
  • chiariedschiarieds Community champion Posts: 6,289 Disability Gamechanger
    @Toffee - then it sounds like your claim would be looked at again, as an additional 2 points would potentially change this from the standard to enhanced rate. It will all depend on their viewpoint when it's looked at, so it's going to vary from person to person.
  • ToffeeToffee Member Posts: 250 Pioneering
    Thank you so much for all your help on this matter stay safe 
  • chiariedschiarieds Community champion Posts: 6,289 Disability Gamechanger
    You're most welcome. :)
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Community champion Posts: 22,212 Disability Gamechanger
    hass said:
    Hi all Hope your well 
    Does anyone know if  DWP are renewing  ESA 


    Hi,

    Reviews for the work capability assessment can take place anytime from 3 months. When your review is due they will send you the ESA50 form. Reviews for both PIP and ESA are back up and running again.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 631 Pioneering
    I’m worried do I need to worry my review isn’t till 2022 just confused by this post x 
  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 631 Pioneering
    Oh is for people who should of scored more for that question ?
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Community champion Posts: 22,212 Disability Gamechanger
    cupcake88 said:
    I’m worried do I need to worry my review isn’t till 2022 just confused by this post x 

    You have nothing to worry about. Your review isn't until 6 months before your award is due to end and then you'll be sent the review forms automatically.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 631 Pioneering
    I was going to ask you poppy said if they decide in the review that your pip should go up or down will
    you still get your original payment till the end date ? Then your claim starts again or does it start from when they make there decision from the review 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Community champion Posts: 22,212 Disability Gamechanger
    cupcake88 said:
    I was going to ask you poppy said if they decide in the review that your pip should go up or down will
    you still get your original payment till the end date ? Then your claim starts again or does it start from when they make there decision from the review 

    At review, once the decision is made if your award is increased or lowered you'll receive the new payments from the date the decision was made. You will also received a new award date/length of time.

    If you're refused then payments stop from the date of the decision regardless of the date of your award because the new decision overules the previous decision.

    Please try to relax, your award is until 2022, so you have quite a while until your review is due.

    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • ToffeeToffee Member Posts: 250 Pioneering
    Gm all I wrote a letter asking for all old reports backdating to 2016  I also sent two letters from my therapist which was sent to my doctor. I just hope my anxiety stays down.. Dealing with pip cause so much stress.. It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't write lies about you. I was going to do it before this but my anxiety got the better of me.. Some how it always wins 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Community champion Posts: 22,212 Disability Gamechanger
    Yoiu don't need to write any letters to them to request something. You can do it all online and request a right of access. See links. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/request-your-personal-information-from-the-department-for-work-and-pensions



    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • ToffeeToffee Member Posts: 250 Pioneering
    Gm poppy 
    Thank you so much I've just done it on line 
  • bobby123bobby123 Member Posts: 5 Listener
    Does anyone know how long dwp take to get back to you regarding the points increase.  I rang but they said you your pip increase can't be done over the phone and left a note on my account
  • ToffeeToffee Member Posts: 250 Pioneering
    Hi Bobby 
    Am waiting on the same now I've not heard anythink as yet hopefully some one on here as a answer for you 
  • hasshass Member Posts: 82 Connected
    Hi all Hope your all well 

    I somewhat confused 

    About the pip  points  relating to this  topic 

  • ToffeeToffee Member Posts: 250 Pioneering
    Hi has the law on pip changed on a couple of there points scoring system. The most recent one is engaging face to face. So anyone affected by this should of gained more points. Which means ppl will be entitled to back pay from 2016 if effected. 
  • chiariedschiarieds Community champion Posts: 6,289 Disability Gamechanger
    As mentioned above, the law changed only on the 'Engaging with other people face to face' descriptor/activity, & only where, if a change was made, this would result in an award, or an increase in an existing award of the daily living component. So a person would need to have 6 or 7 points already, or 10 or 11 before their claim would be looked at again. This also only relates to some people who got a decision on PIP between 6th April 2016 & 17th September 2020. Not everyone will get more points.
  • ToffeeToffee Member Posts: 250 Pioneering
    Hi yes am waiting on Yr 16  two 18  reports of pip if I remembered I scored 7 points. 2018 /20222 I scored 11  points  2points  of that question.so am waiting to see what they come up with 


  • hasshass Member Posts: 82 Connected
    Hi all Hope your well

    If you already get enhanced rate    does it still apply 

  • poppy123456poppy123456 Community champion Posts: 22,212 Disability Gamechanger
    hass said:
    Hi all Hope your well

    If you already get enhanced rate    does it still apply 


    No because you already have the maximum award and scoring more points wouldn't achieve anything.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Community champion Posts: 22,212 Disability Gamechanger
    I still think there's more to this that they're letting on. A little like the following and planning a journey changes, so many people had their hopes up of being owed backdated money... yet i've heard of very few people.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • ToffeeToffee Member Posts: 250 Pioneering
    They come up with something poppy they always do 
  • hasshass Member Posts: 82 Connected
  • bobby123bobby123 Member Posts: 5 Listener
    chiarieds said:
    As mentioned above, the law changed only on the 'Engaging with other people face to face' descriptor/activity, & only where, if a change was made, this would result in an award, or an increase in an existing award of the daily living component. So a person would need to have 6 or 7 points already, or 10 or 11 before their claim would be looked at again. This also only relates to some people who got a decision on PIP between 6th April 2016 & 17th September 2020. Not everyone will get more points.
    Hi
    I scored 11 points and 2 for that question, it should be changed to 4 points going by the changed criteria.  I was wondering how long it will take to be looked at
  • chiariedschiarieds Community champion Posts: 6,289 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @bobby123 - I don't even know if they've started looking at those awards that are relevant, sorry, & it's not guaranteed your award will change. If we hear anything further, it will be mentioned on the forum.
  • ToffeeToffee Member Posts: 250 Pioneering
    I received a letter today there sending me my reports from 2016 it stated this can take a Callander month.that was the reguest link poppy sent. 
    I also posted my two letters of my cbt therperist and asked  them to look into this matter. My letters should go down as change of circumstances I think. Will keep you all updated. 

  • poppy123456poppy123456 Community champion Posts: 22,212 Disability Gamechanger
    Very risky reporting a change of circumstances without first getting expert advice. A change of circumstances means more forms and potentially a telephone assessment. Face to face assessments are still suspended.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • Parrot123Parrot123 Member Posts: 137 Pioneering
    Toffee said:
    Is it true the points system  as changed on pip? and any points scored  on prompt you should  of been scored supervision = 4 points?
    And there going to reveiw claims back to 2016?
    As I read this on Google news today  and it said mind was backing this 
    Hi Toffee. I have been misscored. I tried all week trying to contact pip they kept cutting me off. Will
  • chiariedschiarieds Community champion Posts: 6,289 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi Will,
    chiarieds said:
    This only affects some people awarded between 6th April 2016 & 17th September 2020. Only those where if the points would mean an award would be given, or if it would change an award from the standard, to the enhanced rate, will be contacted. When the DWP will look into this I don't know. Here's a link which summarises this: http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/images/image/samples/PIP_engage_changes.pdf




  • Parrot123Parrot123 Member Posts: 137 Pioneering
  • ToffeeToffee Member Posts: 250 Pioneering
    Hi parrot 123 it's a joke to get through on the telephone I hope you get through keep trying I wrote to em recorded delivery in the end 
  • ToffeeToffee Member Posts: 250 Pioneering
    Hi poppy yes it is  ievery think is Risky Where there concerned. 've professional help on stand by so hear is hopeing its so wrong it's disgusting the way they treat us for having disabilities. 
  • ToffeeToffee Member Posts: 250 Pioneering
    There trying video calls now poppy to trying it out on 500  ppl two 
  • Parrot123Parrot123 Member Posts: 137 Pioneering
    Toffee said:
    Hi parrot 123 it's a joke to get through on the telephone I hope you get through keep trying I wrote to em recorded delivery in the end 
    @Toffer they keep cutting me off. A whole week a joke
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Community champion Posts: 22,212 Disability Gamechanger
    A lot of DWP advisors are still currently working from home. No, it's not ideal but with Covid, they really have no choice. Many will also have families at home, which may cause problems for them sometimes while working. I know it's the DWP but these are extremely difficult times for everyone.

    Try ringing early in the morning as soon as they open.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • ToffeeToffee Member Posts: 250 Pioneering
    That's awfull parrot123
  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 631 Pioneering
    I got 4 points for that question and I remember seeing in the report she had wrote needs her nurse to help  her With communication When my partner helps me more than my mental health team .

    im happy with what I scored with my pip award . But I hope others get the Back pay from points they should of got . 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Community champion Posts: 22,212 Disability Gamechanger
    edited October 2020
    cupcake88 said:
    I got 4 points for that question and I remember seeing in the report she had wrote needs her nurse to help  her With communication When my partner helps me more than my mental health team .

    im happy with what I scored with my pip award . But I hope others get the Back pay from points they should of got . 

    The points you scored here are correct, regardless of who helps you with this activity. It doesn't have to be a professional person.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • ToffeeToffee Member Posts: 250 Pioneering
    Hi all quick update 
    Still not had my reports as I requested. 
    Still not heard anything as yet. 
  • soconfusedsoconfused Member Posts: 101 Courageous
    Toffee said:
    Hi parrot 123 it's a joke to get through on the telephone I hope you get through keep trying I wrote to em recorded delivery in the end 
    I got through on Tuesday but it took 45 mins 
  • ToffeeToffee Member Posts: 250 Pioneering
    Did you get anywhere with them so confused? 
  • soconfusedsoconfused Member Posts: 101 Courageous
    I was only calling for something simple - was nothing related to any law changes. Sorry can't add any more 
  • ToffeeToffee Member Posts: 250 Pioneering
    Oh I see ty for writing bk soconfused 
  • bobby123bobby123 Member Posts: 5 Listener
    The DWP are working from 2016 onwards informing people who have had theirs increased, it will take a while to go through all of the ones affected
  • leslieSleslieS Member Posts: 4 Listener
  • ToffeeToffee Member Posts: 250 Pioneering
  • ToffeeToffee Member Posts: 250 Pioneering
    Thank you Bobby for your update on the matter
  • ToffeeToffee Member Posts: 250 Pioneering
    I received all my pip reports dated back to 2016 today
    I'll now wait to see what they say about pip law changes. Then if needed I hand them over to a welfare rights professional. To check all for me 
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 1,392 Pioneering
    My award was supposed to be reviewed  2021 but they done it already and I am enhanced on both indefinet  I phoned them and they said I won't need another review  for at keast ten years so happy about that
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Community champion Posts: 22,212 Disability Gamechanger
    My award was supposed to be reviewed  2021 but they done it already and I am enhanced on both indefinet  I phoned them and they said I won't need another review  for at keast ten years so happy about that

    Just so that you're aware there are no indefinite awards for PIP and the longest award is 10 years. Indefinite awards were only for DLA, which no longer exists for those between 16 and state pension age.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • ToffeeToffee Member Posts: 250 Pioneering
    That's brilliant news for you lisathomas50
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 1,392 Pioneering
    Hi on my letter it says indefinite  10 years  I only had it two weeks ago  maybe its an error  lol  ha ha  I received  my disabled bus pass today now we on lockdown ha ha I can drive but can't until I have my eye test 
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 1,392 Pioneering
    Sorry I do apologise it says on going  looking at wrong one lol  for my pip 
  • hasshass Member Posts: 82 Connected
    Hi all

    Are the 4 points for prompt 
    For daily living activities only
    I already get enhanced for daily living
  • chiariedschiarieds Community champion Posts: 6,289 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @hass - it's about the 'Engaging with other people' descriptor, which yes, is part of the daily living component. As you already get the enhanced rate for this, it won't affect you.
  • hasshass Member Posts: 82 Connected
  • chiariedschiarieds Community champion Posts: 6,289 Disability Gamechanger
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