Since the media isn't saying much...

Biblioklept

I'd love to know how anyone can keep supporting our current government I just don't understand it. 

I was reading today about an 87 year old woman who lost her life to hypothermia and the inquest found it was due to her being too afraid to turn on her heating because of rising fuel costs. And it's likely she's not the only one. 

Meanwhile home secretary Suella Braverman claims £25,000 on expenses for her energy bills... despite living rent-free in her parent's home while on constituency business. So we pay for her energy bills while we have regular people dying from the cold because they're too scared to put the heating on. 

Yet they continue to say they 'understand' the struggles regular people are facing or that we just need to tighten our belts or buy a new kettle

But it's okay, they'll just keep pointing at refugees, benefit claimants or other minority group and put the population's anger and focus on them like always  

Steve_in_The_City

I have a family member who is a staunch supporter of The Tory Party. She is on a cruise right now. She goes on a lot of cruises and always has a state room with a balcony. No doubt she will be missing shopping at M&S, John Lewis and Harrods. She is totally opposed to people striking except when her daughter who is a teacher is on strike. Apparently that is different. A few weeks ago she phoned me and had a go at Angela Rayner. She criticised her accent (I can't understand this as we all have accents) and said she was uneducated and not fit to be in government. Not sharing her Tory sentiments I thought it was good a person without formal education could rise to a powerful position and do well in the world. I did not point out that all of the Tory P.M's we've had all enjoyed expensive private educations but have left us in the position where people who work have to rely on food banks. She then dissed Angela Rayner for having a baby out of wedlock!!!! She told me some time ago (when Boris was in power) that I should be grateful for my £1 a week benefit rise!!!

I fail to understand Tory thinking and wonder how a government that has been in power for so long has turned us in to a country where we need food banks for people who are actually working and where children go to bed hungry? And what they have done to the NHS is deplorable. It's ok if you are well off, I suppose.

On a lighter note I remember Alf Garnett who was a staunch Tory remarking in Death do us Part that he had walked miles to vote for the Tories and what's more "I borrowed the boots to do it in" or somesuch remark. In other words he had traipsed miles to vote for a party that didn't even allow him to buy a pair of boots!

2oldcodgers

....and what is the option?
Labour under Starmer?
Yes they may well throw money at everything and everyone and where will that get us? I seem to remember that we had a large gold reserve that was sold off by them to reduce taxes and as for almost bankrupting the country telling the Tories that there was nothing left when they lost power - would you trust them not to do the same again?
I will agree that the current Tory bunch in Westminster have lost the plot in many ways and need to make room for a new set of MP's and that's coming from me - a fully paid up Tory party member!

Beaver79

Totally agree @tomm

HMcC

@ Tomm your so right! Glad to know someone's got their eyes open to the truth.

2oldcodgers

tomm said:

HMcC said:

@ Tomm your so right! Glad to know someone's got their eyes open to the truth.

It's why i Have had to vote "NONE"  in protest every year for some time now,  as there are no independents or alternative parties standing in my area to vote for At least my vote is being used, and Protest votes do get counted, and those standing do get to see this, better than not using your vote

Vote Independent??
You are fooling yourself
In my local council we have the chairman of the local LibDems actually sitting as an independent! He admits that he would never have been elected if he stood for his party.
The candidates for the forthcoming election have 50% claiming to be independent yet are fully paid up members of the Conservative Party!
As for the Greens, they admit that they are not at all interested in the betterment of the area instead they have are focused on one specific issue - improving the habitat for birds and bees in just one small area.

Before you vote Independent do some research into each and everyone of them to make sure that they are independent. 

woodbine

The truth is the Tories have run out of ideas and are morally bankrupt, however as much as I would like to see Labour back in power it will be difficult for them to do in one election, they will without doubt be the largest party after the 2024 election, how close to number ten they get depends on how far the SNP collapses, as ever time will tell.
One thing is very clear and this is in no way a racist comment Sunak will never win an election people just don't like his party as they have nothing to offer. His current policies are bound to fail 1) they will never stop the boats, and after 13 years in office asylum policies are a mess  2) inflation won't fall to 2.9% this year as for his other three "promises" I can'r remember them.

2oldcodgers

The French have always complained/demonstrated about everything.
Fishing boats blocking Calais harbour, fishing boats attacking british ones, etc etc.
If they treated the immigrants holed up around Calais better as we do there would be no need for them to come in their little boats - but no they want rid of them and will do anything they can to achieve that even by escorting them with their warships.
Such horrible people. 

woodbine

The problem is we have one tool against inflation which is increasing interest rates and it's not the answer, the real answer would be a 5% cut in VAT for 2 years backed up with a 3% increase in the higher rates of income tax.
They are also peddling the falsehood that increasing public sector pay pushed up inflation the reality is that it DOESN'T, never has and never will.

Biblioklept

Whymeiwonder2 said:

@woodbine
See dopey Jeremy *unt thinks he solved the cost of living crisis in one day!!!
God, what a pathetic idiot he is.
Ruined the nhs now he trying to ruin most of the country!!!!

How did he 'ruin the nhs'? 

Biblioklept

Ooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I am silly. I read Jeremy and thought Corbyn and was so confused I just got who you meant now Forget I asked!!! Sorry @Whymeiwonder2

Cartini

tomm said:

woodbine said:

The truth is the Tories have run out of ideas and are morally bankrupt, however as much as I would like to see Labour back in power it will be difficult for them to do in one election, they will without doubt be the largest party after the 2024 election, how close to number ten they get depends on how far the SNP collapses, as ever time will tell.
One thing is very clear and this is in no way a racist comment Sunak will never win an election people just don't like his party as they have nothing to offer. His current policies are bound to fail 1) they will never stop the boats, and after 13 years in office asylum policies are a mess  2) inflation won't fall to 2.9% this year as for his other three "promises" I can'r remember them.

They Have NEVER had any intention of stopping  illegal immigration  because their masters want  this to happen, LIB/LAB/CON/GREEN =globalist cult run UNI-Party it makes little to no difference which is in Number 10 all the same agendas at play will continue to be rolled out And the inflation is a damn sight higher than the 15%  they claim in the MSM just look at your food prices , a 415g tin of Heinz baked beans £1,00 was 50 -60p less than 12mths ago Milk  and meat has also seen massive price hikes, And Sunak wasn't elected , neither was truss,

You don`t vote for the person, you vote for the party.   The person in charge may, or not, have some influence on how somebody votes.

Adeline

Has anyone else seen that the Tory party 'accidentally' sent out leaflets in non-tory areas which advertised that you don't need to bring ID to vote? Even though you 100% do. It is difficult not to assume the motives behind this 'accident'.

Cartini

It was a mistake and only 250 documents were sent; hardly a campaign to deviate the opinion of voters.

woodbine

Adeline said:

Has anyone else seen that the Tory party 'accidentally' sent out leaflets in non-tory areas which advertised that you don't need to bring ID to vote? Even though you 100% do. It is difficult not to assume the motives behind this 'accident'.

Luckily we have had a postal vote for 17 years now and don't need ID

chiarieds

tomm said:

Sadly, but understandably, those in charge  of this forum don't like the truth they see it as misinformation

Can only say that I for one welcome the fact that our online community co-ordinators are pro-active in not allowing misleading information on the community. There's no truth in your repeated comments, & we are asked to check the info we give is correct.

Whatever govt we have, there are no 'masters;' there's no 'globalist cult', tho conspiracy theories seem to have unfortunately run rampant on social media especially over the Covid-19 pandemic. You can remain an anti-vaxxer, & maintain your own beliefs; you didn't get Covid tho didn't have any offered vaccines, I didn't get Covid either, tho did have all vaccines offered. What does that tell you.....absolutely nothing, as we are just 2 people sharing our personal experience. Figures that show how many have lost their lives due to Covid however speak volumes; we can't know how many millions of lives were saved due to the vaccines.

The word 'Uniparty' has been bandied about for decades; conspiracy theories are nothing new, but people here rely upon fact, & rightly so.

https://fullfact.org/online/great-reset-conspiracy-theory/

poppy123456

Whymeiwonder2 said:

@Adeline
I’m with you on this, take no notice of others on here

Do you ever have anything nice to say about anyone here? There’s really no need for your rudeness. Manners cost nothing. 

There’s many people here who spend their free time helping others for free! It’s not nice to read such unhelpful comments. 

chiarieds

As far as I can see the word Uniparty was first mentioned in America in the 1940's - so, as I said, nothing new.

You can of course ignore what Full Fact says, but discounting it by calling it 'Fact less' doesn't make for a very good argument. About Full Fact's funding & neutrality can be seen here: https://fullfact.org/about/funding/

Are you saying that conspiracy theories are now springing up more quickly than 3 years ago; why doesn't that surprise me, & nothing to do with the Covid pandemic, of course?