UC50 / PIP

paries1

Just out of curiosity do DWP compare forms ( uc50 / pip ) with older forms you’ve sent in ? I

poppy123456

Past experience for myself and daughters PIP reviews then yes they have used the previous assessment report.

Never known this to happen for any of my WCA reviews but always been in the Support Group for the same descriptor for 10 years.

StillIRise

paries1 said:

Just out of curiosity do DWP compare forms ( uc50 / pip ) with older forms you’ve sent in ? I

For ESA yes they can. In previous ESA assessment reports they’ve openly stated that they’ve used assessment reports from ten years prior as part of their evidence

paries1

Ok thx for replies , I realised after filling in my last UC50 I had the insight to take pics of every page and as there really no change ( maybe increase in meds ) I was going to just rewrite what I wrote then but maybe I’ll just use it as a guide . 

paries1

Getting really stressed over all this now and having thoughts just not to fill in either forms, even tho I’m gonna get help . 

StillIRise

paries1 said:

Ok thx for replies , I realised after filling in my last UC50 I had the insight to take pics of every page and as there really no change ( maybe increase in meds ) I was going to just rewrite what I wrote then but maybe I’ll just use it as a guide . 

Do you use the guides from the Benefit and Work site? When I first used their guide I got put straight into the ESA Support group with just a paper based review and quite minimal evidence. 

paries1

StillIRise said:

paries1 said:

Ok thx for replies , I realised after filling in my last UC50 I had the insight to take pics of every page and as there really no change ( maybe increase in meds ) I was going to just rewrite what I wrote then but maybe I’ll just use it as a guide . 

Do you use the guides from the Benefit and Work site? When I first used their guide I got put straight into the ESA Support group with just a paper based review and quite minimal evidence. 

No I haven’t seen them , I’ll have a look and see if I can find them , thanks stillrise 

poppy123456

Benefits and work charge £20/ year for membership. This will then give you access to all their guides and the forums. 

paries1

poppy123456 said:

Past experience for myself and daughters PIP reviews then yes they have used the previous assessment report.

Never known this to happen for any of my WCA reviews but always been in the Support Group for the same descriptor for 10 years.

Sorry I don’t mean the report I meant the actual es/UC50 . If they kept the older forms ( maybe uploaded on computer etc ) then compared with recent reassessment form . 

poppy123456

Nope, in my personal experience they’ve never done that. 

StillIRise

paries1 said:

poppy123456 said:

Past experience for myself and daughters PIP reviews then yes they have used the previous assessment report.

Never known this to happen for any of my WCA reviews but always been in the Support Group for the same descriptor for 10 years.

Sorry I don’t mean the report I meant the actual es/UC50 . If they kept the older forms ( maybe uploaded on computer etc ) then compared with recent reassessment form . 

I would think they absolutely keep the old forms. But whether they refer back to them or not I’ve no idea.

poppy123456

StillIRise said:

paries1 said:

poppy123456 said:

Past experience for myself and daughters PIP reviews then yes they have used the previous assessment report.

Never known this to happen for any of my WCA reviews but always been in the Support Group for the same descriptor for 10 years.

Sorry I don’t mean the report I meant the actual es/UC50 . If they kept the older forms ( maybe uploaded on computer etc ) then compared with recent reassessment form . 

I would think they absolutely keep the old forms. But whether they refer back to them or not I’ve no idea.

My comment was to do with them referring back to my previous forms. 

I have no doubts that they keep them because about 2 years ago I requested all the information they hold about me going back several years and i received every form and every assessment report for PIP and ESA. 

StillIRise

poppy123456 said:

StillIRise said:

paries1 said:

poppy123456 said:

Past experience for myself and daughters PIP reviews then yes they have used the previous assessment report.

Never known this to happen for any of my WCA reviews but always been in the Support Group for the same descriptor for 10 years.

Sorry I don’t mean the report I meant the actual es/UC50 . If they kept the older forms ( maybe uploaded on computer etc ) then compared with recent reassessment form . 

I would think they absolutely keep the old forms. But whether they refer back to them or not I’ve no idea.

My comment was to do with them referring back to my previous forms. 

I have no doubts that they keep them because about 2 years ago I requested all the information they hold about me going back several years and i received every form and every assessment report for PIP and ESA. 

That’s a good idea. How does one request this from them? 

poppy123456

You can do this online here. https://secure.dwp.gov.uk/personal-information-request/name

That link came from here. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/request-your-personal-information-from-the-department-for-work-and-pensions

paries1

I made this request with some of my MH records when in therapy and was shocked how the therapist write the summaries. 

StillIRise

paries1 said:

I made this request with some of my MH records when in therapy and was shocked how the therapist write the summaries. 

Was it inaccurate?

paries1

StillIRise said:

paries1 said:

I made this request with some of my MH records when in therapy and was shocked how the therapist write the summaries. 

Was it inaccurate?

I had a terrible therapist who actually was triggered by me, it was noticed by other patients who told me it was obvious I was triggering them, they actually belittled me on a few occasions and were passive aggressive , basically didn’t like me , I’m honest and know totally I can be hard work because of my EUPD but I was actually really trying. They left before the programme ended. I requested my reports and they are basically judging you from the moment you walk into the room until the moment you turn the door handle to leave , it wasn’t that it was inaccurate just that I realise now how they completely scrutinise EVERYTHING about you . 

paries1

Maybe I’m just naive, Ive had a fair few psychiatric reviews and these are very detailed about eye contact / clothes / tone of voice etc , I understand this because they are trying to rule out a psychotic episode etc but in long term therapy it seemed from my reports it was more how I said something rather than what I was saying . 

StillIRise

paries1 said:

StillIRise said:

paries1 said:

I made this request with some of my MH records when in therapy and was shocked how the therapist write the summaries. 

Was it inaccurate?

I had a terrible therapist who actually was triggered by me, it was noticed by other patients who told me it was obvious I was triggering them, they actually belittled me on a few occasions and were passive aggressive , basically didn’t like me , I’m honest and know totally I can be hard work because of my EUPD but I was actually really trying. They left before the programme ended. I requested my reports and they are basically judging you from the moment you walk into the room until the moment you turn the door handle to leave , it wasn’t that it was inaccurate just that I realise now how they completely scrutinise EVERYTHING about you . 

I know what you mean.  I’m very fortunate in that my two NHS therapy experiences were very positive.  I had psychotherapy with one amazing therapist and then a very long course of EMDR (trauma therapy) with a very good psychologist.  But I’ve previously met some vile NHS psychiatrists, including one woman who was just awful and came across like she really doesn’t get on with other women at all.  I recall reports from various psychiatric staff where they’ve felt the need to mention I’m dressed in “weather appropriate clothing” (do they expect me to be sitting there wearing a bikini?), that I make good eye contact and that I have “good self care” (I think they meant I just look like I actually shower and brush my teeth.)

I’m paying for psychotherapy in the private sector and the therapist is absolutely brilliant. 

Do you have other diagnoses in addition to EUPD?

paries1

StillIRise said:

paries1 said:

StillIRise said:

paries1 said:

I made this request with some of my MH records when in therapy and was shocked how the therapist write the summaries. 

Was it inaccurate?

I had a terrible therapist who actually was triggered by me, it was noticed by other patients who told me it was obvious I was triggering them, they actually belittled me on a few occasions and were passive aggressive , basically didn’t like me , I’m honest and know totally I can be hard work because of my EUPD but I was actually really trying. They left before the programme ended. I requested my reports and they are basically judging you from the moment you walk into the room until the moment you turn the door handle to leave , it wasn’t that it was inaccurate just that I realise now how they completely scrutinise EVERYTHING about you . 

I know what you mean.  I’m very fortunate in that my two NHS therapy experiences were very positive.  I had psychotherapy with one amazing therapist and then a very long course of EMDR (trauma therapy) with a very good psychologist.  But I’ve previously met some vile NHS psychiatrists, including one woman who was just awful and came across like she really doesn’t get on with other women at all.  I recall reports from various psychiatric staff where they’ve felt the need to mention I’m dressed in “weather appropriate clothing” (do they expect me to be sitting there wearing a bikini?), that I make good eye contact and that I have “good self care” (I think they meant I just look like I actually shower and brush my teeth.)

I’m paying for psychotherapy in the private sector and the therapist is absolutely brilliant. 

Do you have other diagnoses in addition to EUPD?

They are clueless about MH issue and think unless you’re in the middle of a psychotic episode your are fine , terrible you had to go through that. I had a great NHS psychotherapist before last therapy, but the most recent therapy was absolutely awful and has made me lose faith in NHS MH services . If I get pip I think I’ll see if I can afford to pay for private therapy . 

My diagnoses are panic disorder , EUPD , recurrent depressive disorder, OCD ,

TBH I actually think it’s really EUPD and all the others are co morbid .