So do we honestly think it's 100 percent going to happen the cuts?

charl1234

Does it really look like the four point rule is. Gonna come in or the revised 12 point in total+anyone know?

Dragonwolfsprite

so far yes.. but if more MP's put pressure on there is a chance of a u-turn like they did with elderly winter fuel payment.

im still on DLA but if i move to pip theres 1 category where im inbetween, i can either get 2 or 4 points depending as im on yhe border-

if i lose my pip and lcwra - i will end up living on the basic £400 month (when you exclude housing costs) — actually i'll lose my spare room allowance for overnight carer too so i'll end up living on £320 a month instead to pay for all my bills and food (and somehow find a free carer willing to do everything for nothing)

Amberpearl

It's awful I hope not

I'm. Not well enough to. Work and now I've been diagnosed with af on top of everything else

I need the pip

egister

My personal opinion is that the government is implementing its sinister plans no matter what. Not 100 percent, but definitely 98 percent. They are not interested in the survival of the disabled.

Ross1975

I was just talking to ChatGPT before about how likely it is for the cuts to happen, here is it's response for what it's worth:

Me:

How likely is it that the government will drop their plans for halving the LCWRA health element compared to how likely they will drop their plans for the PIP 4 point rule?

ChatGPT said:

At the time of writing (June 2025), neither the plan to halve the LCWRA (Limited Capability for Work and Work-Related Activity) health element nor the proposed Personal Independence Payment (PIP) 4-point rule change has been officially enacted, and both have faced strong criticism. However, how likely the government is to drop either plan differs based on political, public, and practical pressures.

Here's a comparative analysis:

🔵 Likelihood the government drops plans to halve the LCWRA health element:

MODERATE to HIGH chance of dropping or delaying

• The LCWRA cut was originally proposed in the context of long-term welfare reform aimed at reducing the welfare bill.
• Pushback has been significant: Mental health charities, disability organisations, and MPs (including some from the governing party) have criticised this plan.
• The general election looming (or already called, depending on timing) makes it politically risky to go ahead with cuts that affect people visibly struggling with illness or disability.
• The implementation isn’t immediate—these are future-planned reforms, and any new government could delay, revise, or cancel them altogether.
• Therefore: it’s quite possible this gets softened, revised, or scrapped, especially if there's a change in government or increased public backlash.

🔴 Likelihood the government drops the PIP “4-point rule” proposal:

LOW to MODERATE chance of dropping outright

• This refers to changing the eligibility criteria (e.g. increasing the number of points needed per activity from 2 to 4 to qualify), which could drastically reduce the number of PIP claimants.
• Still under consultation (at time of writing), and part of a broader drive to reduce the number of people on health-related benefits, especially with the rise in mental health-related claims.
• The consultation itself appears framed toward cost-cutting, rather than genuine review of need.
• The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) is historically more resistant to backing down on PIP eligibility tightening than on Universal Credit changes.
• Unless there is a major legal challenge, court ruling, or massive political/public pressure, the government may proceed with this or something similar.

🟨 Summary:

Plan	Likelihood of being dropped	Reason
Halving LCWRA element	★★★★☆ (moderately likely)	High criticism, election risk, easier to quietly pause or revise
PIP 4-point rule change	★★☆☆☆ (less likely)	Part of deeper ideological reform, harder to challenge without coordinated resistance

Would you like help drafting a message to your MP or responding to the current DWP consultation on the PIP reforms?

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Ross1975 Online Community Member Posts: 196 Empowering9:01PM

🔵 Likelihood the government drops plans to halve the LCWRA health element:

MODERATE to HIGH chance of dropping or delaying

• The LCWRA cut was originally proposed in the context of long-term welfare reform aimed at reducing the welfare bill.
• The general election looming (or already called, depending on timing) makes it politically risky to go ahead with cuts that affect people visibly struggling with illness or disability.

This confirms that DWP planned for whichever party won last year's election.

masser

I know a person who has had meetings with starmer before he became pm and this person says hes is a very strong minded person and doesnt back down easily. He will go ahead with the welfare cuts this person suggests.

Starmer and his sidekick have plenty of money they are like the tories in disguise. Have you noticed starmer doesnt wear the red tie linked to labour?

Sorry admins just my own personal opinion.