falsified pip assessment report
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@DuffersMum some time a go i posted this link for you to have a read of. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-assessment-guide-for-assessment-providers/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-the-assessment-criteriaI'd advise you to have another read.
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poppy123456 said:@DuffersMum some time a go i posted this link for you to have a read of. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-assessment-guide-for-assessment-providers/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-the-assessment-criteriaI'd advise you to have another read.
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My husband won his tribunal by proving the HCP’s report was a complete load of fabricated nonsense. It was a few years ago and things may well have changed but at that time they agreed with him that the majority of her report had been copied and pasted and was totally irrelevant to his case.
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DuffersMum said:My husband won his tribunal by proving the HCP’s report was a complete load of fabricated nonsense. It was a few years ago and things may well have changed but at that time they agreed with him that the majority of her report had been copied and pasted and was totally irrelevant to his case.
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The tribunal in my husbands case said to him (and I know this because I was sat with him) the assessment report on your condition bears no resemblance to your disabilities and we have no idea where the HCP got her assumptions from.
As I said things may well have changed, this was many years ago when PIP was first rolled out..guessing they thought that by the HCP stayed she carried out the assessment in X town when in fact it was carried out in a different one made them think she wasn’t up to the job! His assessment was riddled with inaccuracies. The tribunal chucked it straight out and awarded him care and mobility whereas HCP had scored him zero points on both.
I am more than happy with my award,as I am only £10 a month worse off, the only reason I am appealing is principle..but as I’ve said next time they won’t be twisting things to suit because I will be recording it (yes I know how to go about doing this). -
And I still say...how can you describe pain? It hurts..it’s hurts a lot...it always hurts...it’s ridiculous...easy to say I can’t pick up a pan of boiling water because my hands are swollen (not in my instance but just an example) and I may drop it and scold myself. But how to do say I can’t walk because of pain in my hips etc any other way than “I can’t walk because of pain in my hips”
easy for daily care, not easy for mobility....and it all comes down to how competent the HCP doing the assessment is. -
@duffersmum said..".they won’t be twisting things to suit because I will be recording it (yes I know how to go about doing this)."
I recorded my assessment and it didn't seem to make any difference to what the assessor said...
Pain - I'd just describe it as best you can.. "It hurts..it’s hurts a lot...it always hurts." are all OK (or at least they were in my case) -
cristobal said:@duffersmum said..".they won’t be twisting things to suit because I will be recording it (yes I know how to go about doing this)."
I recorded my assessment and it didn't seem to make any difference to what the assessor said...
Pain - I'd just describe it as best you can.. "It hurts..it’s hurts a lot...it always hurts." are all OK (or at least they were in my case) -
DuffersMum said:
I am more than happy with my award,as I am only £10 a month worse off, the only reason I am appealing is principle..
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@duffersmum - If you're only talking about £10 per moth I would have a think about whether it's worth it.
When I say this I'm not saying 'don't bother' but, speaking personally, I found that with me I became so focused on a perceived injustice that it clouded my judgement and I should have ditched it long before I did. It made me ill and I became obsessed.
Take into account also that your award could go down and if the 'upside' is only £10 I would try to balance that with the possible downside...
That's my opinion, based on my experience. Everyone is different obviously...
Happy New Year!
Good luck...
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poppy123456 said:DuffersMum said:
I am more than happy with my award,as I am only £10 a month worse off, the only reason I am appealing is principle..
it has never been about the money for me...oh and I sent all my stuff off to DVLA to sort out the road tax and it’s all been lost in the post, original log book, original MOT certificate and original decision document from DWP so now I’ve got to go back and get new original documents and start all over again...DVLA are sending a new log book free of charge so that I can send it back to them again in order that they can then send me another new one...don’t government departments work well ???♀️
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@DuffersMum No disrespect but I agree with @cristobal and @poppy123456. You sound so angry and seem to be arguing with anyone giving you advice and trying to help. If you suffer from chronic pain I'm sure this stress cannot help. For the sake of £10 is it really worth putting yourself through this? Life is very short.
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@ilovecats - that's a good idea.
A tribunal may change the decision but they won't be able to correct any anomalies in the HCP report.
If you complain they may change the content of the report - that's what they did in my case (to some extent)
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@DuffersMum - You write, 'Honestly it’s like banging your head against a wall.' I couldn't agree with you more.You have been given the best possible advice, which you unfortunately choose to ignore.Some of us can only say about our own personal experiences; again you write, 'the fact that the assessment report was so inaccurate has made me go through the (utterly useless) Mandatory Reconsideration process.' Well I went through a Mandatory Reconsideration, & had my award increased to what I felt was the correct level, so it works for some people.It's not the fact that the assessment report was inaccurate that meant you didn't get the award you feel correct, but that you didn't write something different to better explain the difficulties you faced, as has been painstakingly mentioned by several here.Also, IMHO, if a person is in pain they can describe it as I've tried to say before.
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chiarieds said:@DuffersMum - You write, 'Honestly it’s like banging your head against a wall.' I couldn't agree with you more.You have been given the best possible advice, which you unfortunately choose to ignore.Some of us can only say about our own personal experiences; again you write, 'the fact that the assessment report was so inaccurate has made me go through the (utterly useless) Mandatory Reconsideration process.' Well I went through a Mandatory Reconsideration, & had my award increased to what I felt was the correct level, so it works for some people.It's not the fact that the assessment report was inaccurate that meant you didn't get the award you feel correct, but that you didn't write something different to better explain the difficulties you faced, as has been painstakingly mentioned by several here.Also, IMHO, if a person is in pain they can describe it as I've tried to say before.
just because I don’t agree that the DWP can do no wrong, or that people disagree when I say the HCP was useless and totally fabricated her report, doesn’t mean I’m not allowed my opinion. I worked for the DWP for many years, I know exactly how they do things.
it seems that if you don’t agree with champions etc on here you get shouted down and told you are ignoring everything that’s written. I can understand why people post once and never return.
so thanks again for all the help, I won’t be posting again. -
I'm sorry you feel that way. Most of those that have given you advice here are not Community Champions, the only exception to that is myself.I have to agree with the others that you do seem to have ignored all the advice you've been given but it's your hearing, so you must do what you think is right. Although i still don't quite understand your reasons for requesting the Tribunal when it's just based on principal, as you stated yourself that you're happy with the award you have.I'm not sure what working for DWP in the past has to do with your PIP decision because decision makers do not write assessment reports. They are nothing at all to do with DWP.I wish you good luck with the Tribunal.I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
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DuffersMum said:chiarieds said:@DuffersMum - You write, 'Honestly it’s like banging your head against a wall.' I couldn't agree with you more.You have been given the best possible advice, which you unfortunately choose to ignore.Some of us can only say about our own personal experiences; again you write, 'the fact that the assessment report was so inaccurate has made me go through the (utterly useless) Mandatory Reconsideration process.' Well I went through a Mandatory Reconsideration, & had my award increased to what I felt was the correct level, so it works for some people.It's not the fact that the assessment report was inaccurate that meant you didn't get the award you feel correct, but that you didn't write something different to better explain the difficulties you faced, as has been painstakingly mentioned by several here.Also, IMHO, if a person is in pain they can describe it as I've tried to say before.
just because I don’t agree that the DWP can do no wrong, or that people disagree when I say the HCP was useless and totally fabricated her report, doesn’t mean I’m not allowed my opinion. I worked for the DWP for many years, I know exactly how they do things.
it seems that if you don’t agree with champions etc on here you get shouted down and told you are ignoring everything that’s written. I can understand why people post once and never return.
so thanks again for all the help, I won’t be posting again.
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