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anj54
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Hi
i had my telephone assessment and requested my notes
im really shocked to find no points.
im very confused that the assessor has put thing in like needs help getting in and out of bath but no points?
She has cut and pasted the same paragraph in each box saying I used to drive 2 years ago?? She’s has also said I don’t take daily medications which I do?
I work part time from home and have adapted keyboard and mouse but in the report says I can cook a simple meal because I can use a mouse?
I have RR Ms by the way
she also said I have yearly scans which is normal but this year I have had 2
I just am so shocked at the report
do they even look at the medical evidence when they are on the phone to you?
any help would be much appreciated xx
i had my telephone assessment and requested my notes
im really shocked to find no points.
im very confused that the assessor has put thing in like needs help getting in and out of bath but no points?
She has cut and pasted the same paragraph in each box saying I used to drive 2 years ago?? She’s has also said I don’t take daily medications which I do?
I work part time from home and have adapted keyboard and mouse but in the report says I can cook a simple meal because I can use a mouse?
I have RR Ms by the way
she also said I have yearly scans which is normal but this year I have had 2
I just am so shocked at the report
do they even look at the medical evidence when they are on the phone to you?
any help would be much appreciated xx
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Hi,The report is a recommendation from the AP based on everything you sent and what you said during the assessment. Only the decision maker can award the points.The decision maker will look at everything you sent, as well as the assessment report, which becomes part of your evidence. From this, they will then make a decision.They do mostly go with the report but it has been known for them to go against it.Once the decision's been made if you're not happy you can request the Mandatory Reconsideration (MR).I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
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Thanks Poppy I was so upset reading it!! Everything I told her very personal things (was difficult)
and she has made no reference to any of it!!Where I need aids she’s ignored it I find it so hard to believe she would do that!!
I feel like phoning up to complain!! I’m so annoyed -
This is why it's not always a good idea to request the report because it makes anxiety even worse. A lot of people think that during the assessment the AP should write what you say word for word, this isn't what happens, if it was there would be no point in the assessment in the first place.They ask you questions, then write the report based on everything you sent and what you said during your assessment.You can make a complaint to the assessment providers if that's what you want to do. Though we've had members here in the past that have done this and nothing has come of it.Once you've had the decision, if you're not happy post back here and i'm sure someone will advise you further.
I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help. -
anj54 said:Hi
i had my telephone assessment and requested my notes
im really shocked to find no points.
im very confused that the assessor has put thing in like needs help getting in and out of bath but no points?
She has cut and pasted the same paragraph in each box saying I used to drive 2 years ago?? She’s has also said I don’t take daily medications which I do?
I work part time from home and have adapted keyboard and mouse but in the report says I can cook a simple meal because I can use a mouse?
I have RR Ms by the way
she also said I have yearly scans which is normal but this year I have had 2
I just am so shocked at the report
do they even look at the medical evidence when they are on the phone to you?
any help would be much appreciated xx -
anj54 said:Hi
i had my telephone assessment and requested my notes
im really shocked to find no points.
im very confused that the assessor has put thing in like needs help getting in and out of bath but no points?
She has cut and pasted the same paragraph in each box saying I used to drive 2 years ago?? She’s has also said I don’t take daily medications which I do?
I work part time from home and have adapted keyboard and mouse but in the report says I can cook a simple meal because I can use a mouse?
I have RR Ms by the way
she also said I have yearly scans which is normal but this year I have had 2
I just am so shocked at the report
do they even look at the medical evidence when they are on the phone to you?
any help would be much appreciated xx -
As the dm eventually sees these reports copying and pasting in this way must be condoned, I mean they receive some sort of training to do this,
seems odd that the person conducting the assessment isn’t the one who awards points, after receiving a mess of copying and pasting and not passing on what the assessed has said how on earth can the dm have an accurate picture?! Not always possible I suggest, hence the number of MRs.“This is my simple religion. No need for temples. No need for complicated philosophy. Your own mind, your own heart is the temple. Your philosophy is simple kindness.”
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leeCal said:As the dm eventually sees these reports copying and pasting in this way must be condoned, I mean they receive some sort of training to do this,
seems odd that the person conducting the assessment isn’t the one who awards points, after receiving a mess of copying and pasting and not passing on what the assessed has said how on earth can the dm have an accurate picture?! Not always possible I suggest, hence the number of MRs. -
Being able to drive is one you'll see quite often in a PIP refusal. It's because it takes a certain amount of mental & physical ability, so they use that basis to make wide ranging assumptions in relation to the other tasks... Sadly, it's not that simple in real life of course.
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leeCal said:As the dm eventually sees these reports copying and pasting in this way must be condoned, I mean they receive some sort of training to do this,
seems odd that the person conducting the assessment isn’t the one who awards points, after receiving a mess of copying and pasting and not passing on what the assessed has said how on earth can the dm have an accurate picture?! Not always possible I suggest, hence the number of MRs.
The DM is supposed to look at the report and all the other documentation that has been sent in.Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK. -
OverlyAnxious said:Being able to drive is one you'll see quite often in a PIP refusal. It's because it takes a certain amount of mental & physical ability, so they use that basis to make wide ranging assumptions in relation to the other tasks... Sadly, it's not that simple in real life of course.
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Username_removed said:Not sure I see an issue with copying and pasting. If the same reason has been used to score someone points across multiple descriptors that’s not really a surprise. Why should you have to find 10 different ways to say the same thing? The issue is drawing the wrong inference rather than copying and pasting. The bottom line remains that a HCP can only draw a wrong inference if a PIP 2 has not been fully completed.
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leeh098 said:Username_removed said:Not sure I see an issue with copying and pasting. If the same reason has been used to score someone points across multiple descriptors that’s not really a surprise. Why should you have to find 10 different ways to say the same thing? The issue is drawing the wrong inference rather than copying and pasting. The bottom line remains that a HCP can only draw a wrong inference if a PIP 2 has not been fully completed.You applied last year also but were refused back then. Either you don't qualify and some people don't because you can have a disability but not qualify for PIP. Or you're clearly doing something wrong and as Mike has already stated, poorly completed claim packs are often to blame.The length of time the assessment took makes no difference here.I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
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poppy123456 said:leeh098 said:Username_removed said:Not sure I see an issue with copying and pasting. If the same reason has been used to score someone points across multiple descriptors that’s not really a surprise. Why should you have to find 10 different ways to say the same thing? The issue is drawing the wrong inference rather than copying and pasting. The bottom line remains that a HCP can only draw a wrong inference if a PIP 2 has not been fully completed.You applied last year also but were refused back then. Either you don't qualify and some people don't because you can have a disability but not qualify for PIP. Or you're clearly doing something wrong and as Mike has already stated, poorly completed claim packs are often to blame.The length of time the assessment took makes no difference here.
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PIP isn't awarded based on a diagnosis. You need to explain the difficultly you have with each descriptor that applies to you. Have you given a couple of real world examples for each descriptor that applies? Fully explaining everything that's happened? You should aim for at least one A4 side of paper per descriptor.
I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help. -
I know how you feel, I just received my decision back that included the report and it's quite disgusting what they have written, totally ignoring what you have said on the phone. They had written multiple times that I had no specialist input, yet I had sent copies of the letters from " Specialists ", they stated I don't take anxiolytics, when I clearly said on the phone I'm taking Citalopram, which was also written on the PIP form and evidence of repeat prescriptions, plus many more things the failed to include.
It's basically a joke, the assessors should be ashamed of themselves.
Also if a person can't walk over 200m, how the hell can an assessor assess that over the phone?
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BangersNMash said:I know how you feel, I just received my decision back that included the report and it's quite disgusting what they have written, totally ignoring what you have said on the phone. They had written multiple times that I had no specialist input, yet I had sent copies of the letters from " Specialists ", they stated I don't take anxiolytics, when I clearly said on the phone I'm taking Citalopram, which was also written on the PIP form and evidence of repeat prescriptions, plus many more things the failed to include.
It's basically a joke, the assessors should be ashamed of themselves.
Also if a person can't walk over 200m, how the hell can an assessor assess that over the phone? -
BangersNMash said:I know how you feel, I just received my decision back that included the report and it's quite disgusting what they have written, totally ignoring what you have said on the phone. They had written multiple times that I had no specialist input, yet I had sent copies of the letters from " Specialists ", they stated I don't take anxiolytics, when I clearly said on the phone I'm taking Citalopram, which was also written on the PIP form and evidence of repeat prescriptions, plus many more things the failed to include.
It's basically a joke, the assessors should be ashamed of themselves.
Also if a person can't walk over 200m, how the hell can an assessor assess that over the phone? -
OverlyAnxious said:Being able to drive is one you'll see quite often in a PIP refusal. It's because it takes a certain amount of mental & physical ability, so they use that basis to make wide ranging assumptions in relation to the other tasks... Sadly, it's not that simple in real life of course.
I have a friend who was once a nurse and made the mistake of becoming an assessor...she lasted a matter of weeks saying..in her words “I wasn’t prepared to bend the truth or lie on the assessment reports” -
DuffersMum said:OverlyAnxious said:Being able to drive is one you'll see quite often in a PIP refusal. It's because it takes a certain amount of mental & physical ability, so they use that basis to make wide ranging assumptions in relation to the other tasks... Sadly, it's not that simple in real life of course.
I have a friend who was once a nurse and made the mistake of becoming an assessor...she lasted a matter of weeks saying..in her words “I wasn’t prepared to bend the truth or lie on the assessment reports” -
I did a MR but got nowhere..I couldn’t face an appeal so just accepted what they had awarded..my award was until Feb 2022, later extended to Nov 22 due to Covid...however I submitted a change of circumstances in August and was surprised to hear nothing until an amount appeared in my bank account, decision letter arrived the day after and upgraded to enhanced for both with an ongoing award. I was gobsmacked as expected another assessment but they obviously did a paper based one which I was more than happy with,
I hope the DM comes down in your favour
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