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Petition to abolish the current Pip and ESA method of Assessment which isn't fit for purpose

Survivorgirl58

I have Started a petition on
Change. Org.UK
Link to
http://chng.it/v76rwLSH

This petition is to abolish the current Lima tick boxing yes/no method questions to of assessment, which doesn't take into account or recognise those that are suffering with long term fluctuating debilitating often incurable illnesses./Conditions Like Ms, ME, fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue, Mental health and conditions and many more.

Targeting the vulnerable and those not able to cope with the system and denying the very people that need the support.

Long term recipients have been set upto fail!!

The DWP Atos and Capita are lying in their reports to cut benefits, causing suffering to thousands which is having an adverse effect on people's mental health and wellbeing and this has to stop!!.
And causing financial difficulties.

People with invisible illnesses are being targeted its totally unacceptable!

They are responsible for over 120 thousand deaths we have to fight back to change this.

The British Government are failing the most vulnerable in SOCIETY!
We are being demoralised, degraded and ignored.

So please sign this petition and share with family and friends on social media.

I need to get at least 100 thousand signatures so please also, if you have any further had a bad experience please write your experiences with Atos /Capita
I will keep you updated
Many thanks
Surviour girl

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wilko

Hello, and welcome, having had two PIP assessments and found both honest and fair the form filling question's where easy to understand and the assessment process for the first assessment cased some anxiety but I received the correct award for my abilities and then disability. Having to inform DWP of change of circumstances and a second assessment and my award improved as expected due to my change I feel as I am sure most who receive an award are happy with their out come. It's seems that those who aren't awarded anything because they are not entitled and take it to a tribunal hearing or send in insufficient evidence to support their application for PIP that we hear and read about the negatives. Remember PIP is about yours, mine and others abilities to do the PIP descriptors in a safe, repeatable and timely manner.

Gerald

wilko said:

Hello, and welcome, having had two PIP assessments and found both honest and fair the form filling question's where easy to understand and the assessment process for the first assessment cased some anxiety but I received the correct award for my abilities and then disability. Having to inform DWP of change of circumstances and a second assessment and my award improved as expected due to my change I feel as I am sure most who receive an award are happy with their out come. It's seems that those who aren't awarded anything because they are not entitled and take it to a tribunal hearing or send in insufficient evidence to support their application for PIP that we hear and read about the negatives. Remember PIP is about yours, mine and others abilities to do the PIP descriptors in a safe, repeatable and timely manner.

Hello wilko you put this down t's seems that those who aren't awarded anything because they are not entitled and take it to a tribunal hearing or send in insufficient evidence to support their application for PIP that we hear and read about well is it ok for them to do a mental health assessment and go no problems as can read a road sign and not read the letters from my doctor or the mental health team and the rest of evidence about my abilities and then disability but we are not allowed to say that the assessments full of lies as to seeing you for your assessment and putting something diffrent down on there report than you told them and they still get away with this with know come back at all on them how is this right we have to put up with all this and there just sat there doing as many reports as they can in a day.

fatherinpain

Here’s a little suggestion why not have somebody like your gp or specialist at hospital determine these things or at least do the the reports people that actually know and have a bit more experience what you are going through. These people are professional and have standards so I wouldn’t imagine they had any reason to under or over exaggerate how bad somebody’s condition(s) are.

cristobal

fatherinpain said:
Here’s a little suggestion why not have somebody like your gp or specialist at hospital determine these things or at least do the the reports people that actually know and have a bit more experience what you are going through. These people are professional and have standards so I wouldn’t imagine they had any reason to under or over exaggerate how bad somebody’s condition(s) are.

I currently have to wait to get a GP appointment.

The system for PIP isn't ideal, but I'd rather have my GP treating patients, not doing paperwork for DWP...

poppy123456

fatherinpain said:

Here’s a little suggestion why not have somebody like your gp or specialist at hospital determine these things or at least do the the reports people that actually know and have a bit more experience what you are going through. These people are professional and have standards so I wouldn’t imagine they had any reason to under or over exaggerate how bad somebody’s condition(s) are.

A GP assessing people for a benefits claim isn't really ideal and rather wishful thinking. They don't know anything about the benefit system and it's not their job to know. If GPs assessed people then we'd most likely see everyone's claim being successful. Naturally that would please everyone but life is never and have never been that simple.

I currently have a waiting time of approximately 3 weeks to see my GP and i certainly wouldn't want to wait any longer. The very reason why GP's often refuse to write a supporting letter for benefit claims is because they just don't have the time. Besides, they only ever know the basics of most patients conditions.

fatherinpain

You make the point of if gp wrote assessments everyone would get it, why because they are honest? Notice I didn’t just say gp? The suggestion is professionals who know more about the conditions not some random you spend an hour with who fills in false answers to the questions you are asked, here’s an example client states only drives an automatic car as he finds it easier on his joints, reality never driven an automatic in my life and now only drive when I really need to and my ra isn’t in any of my lower joints. Little things like this go along way in the world of assessments and decision making

fatherinpain

Read the whole thread cat lover

fatherinpain

I clearly said that they nothing to gain from under/ over exaggerating and you have made that point by saying the specialist contradicts what lying claimants say. I rest my case, your honour

fatherinpain

Dr’s and specialist consultants

fatherinpain

Why why would they lie, it would fall below the duty of care for their patients

fatherinpain

Did you read the lie about what kind of car I drive? That was Atos assessor who told me she was a nurse, I do like a good back and forth and I only put a suggestion out there

poppy123456

As a community champion here on scope i will remind you to please be mindful with your comments. Thank you.

fatherinpain

And I wasn’t being hostile

fatherinpain

Which comments?

fatherinpain

She lied I’ve never driven automatic in my life

fatherinpain

It’s in this thread

fatherinpain

That assessors do tell lies needless lies

poppy123456

Regardless of any lies told in any report that's not what you should be concentrating on whether you're claiming ESA or PIP. DWP or the Tribunal won't be interested in any of those.

fatherinpain

Please read the whole thread and it’ll all make sense

KG100

It's the same old story of "if the assessor agrees with us then they did a good job and we're happy"
"If the assessor disagrees with us then we're unhappy and they did a terrible job"
This even goes back to the old DLA days, it's just that I think the new descriptors are a lot tougher now.
Lets face it a lot of us never had medicals or face to face interviews for DLA.
If we did we might have failed them !!