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Pip appeal. What's required for the 4 points for planning a journey?

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Ruby123
Ruby123 Community member Posts: 15 Listener
edited April 2022 in PIP, DLA, and AA
Hi I have appealed my decision, I get enhanced daily care mostly for promoting and standard mobility walking. I got nothing for planning a journey so I have appealed for 4 points (planning a journey) I have depression anxiety and ptsd. I have told them I need prompting to get out of the house and my husband and daughter have wrote letters to confirm. I have ptsd high scores and on anxiety meds and highest depression meds. Evidence sent.  I am having trauma Councelling which I have told them. I have sent this evidence in and awaiting appeal, I just don’t know wether to withdraw as I don’t know what other evidence I could add also I do not want to do a full new claim after appeal as this is so daunting. Can anyone advise about what is required for the 4 points for planning a journey please? 

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  • Alex_Alumni
    Alex_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 7,561 Championing
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    Hello @Ruby123 thanks for reaching out today, are you talking about Mandatory Reconsideration for PIP, or a Tribunal?
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  • calcotti
    calcotti Community member Posts: 10,010 Championing
    edited April 2022
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    Ruby123 said:..I do not want to do a full new claim after appeal as this is so daunting. 
    You wouldn't need to. Your award following the appeal will be whatever the tribunal decides. There will be no requirement to make a new claim.

    You can read the PIP descriptors with point scoring here
    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1046238/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-assessment-criteria.pdf
    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-assessment-guide-for-assessment-providers/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-the-assessment-criteria#mobility-activities

    Descriptor B, which goes 4 points, is "Needs prompting to be able to undertake any journey to avoid overwhelming psychological distress to the claimant".

    "Overwhelming psychological distress" is a fairly high threshold. see the paragraph which says PPD is "distress related to a mental health condition or intellectual or cognitive impairment resulting in a severe anxiety state in which the symptoms are so severe that the person cannot undertake a journey without being overwhelmed. The threshold is a very high one - a claimant who, without prompting, would be left feeling anxious, worried or emotional does not meet it. OPD may occur in conditions such as generalised anxiety disorder, panic disorder, dementia or agoraphobia."


    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • Ruby123
    Ruby123 Community member Posts: 15 Listener
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    calcotti said:
    Ruby123 said:..I do not want to do a full new claim after appeal as this is so daunting. 
    You wouldn't need to. Your award following the appeal will be whatever the tribunal decides. There will be no requirement to make a new claim.

    You can read the PIP descriptors with pint scoring here
    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1046238/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-assessment-criteria.pdf
    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-assessment-guide-for-assessment-providers/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-the-assessment-criteria#mobility-activities
    I have been informed that after an appeal when your award is due next you will have to make a new claim as it was the tribunal who awarded it to you. 
  • calcotti
    calcotti Community member Posts: 10,010 Championing
    edited April 2022
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    Ruby123 said:
    calcotti said:
    Ruby123 said:..I do not want to do a full new claim after appeal as this is so daunting. 
    You wouldn't need to. Your award following the appeal will be whatever the tribunal decides. There will be no requirement to make a new claim.

    You can read the PIP descriptors with pint scoring here
    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1046238/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-assessment-criteria.pdf
    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-assessment-guide-for-assessment-providers/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-the-assessment-criteria#mobility-activities
    I have been informed that after an appeal when your award is due next you will have to make a new claim as it was the tribunal who awarded it to you. 
    Oh I see what you mean, I read it as you thinking you would have to make a new claim shortly after the tribunal. What you have said is correct. However it is generally advised to treat a renewal in the same way as a new claim in terms of the information provided so I don't really see that it makes any difference.
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 57,259 Championing
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    Ruby123 said:
    calcotti said:
    Ruby123 said:..I do not want to do a full new claim after appeal as this is so daunting. 
    You wouldn't need to. Your award following the appeal will be whatever the tribunal decides. There will be no requirement to make a new claim.

    You can read the PIP descriptors with pint scoring here
    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1046238/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-assessment-criteria.pdf
    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-assessment-guide-for-assessment-providers/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-the-assessment-criteria#mobility-activities
    I have been informed that after an appeal when your award is due next you will have to make a new claim as it was the tribunal who awarded it to you. 

    Indeed but it's no different to a review. The only difference is the form they send you. Regardless of which form, you should always treat all claims as a new claim. Another assessment is also likely regardless of whether it's a review or a new claim because most people have them.
    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
    If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
  • Ruby123
    Ruby123 Community member Posts: 15 Listener
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    Thank you. Can anyone help regarding the evidence and what I need for the 4 points for planning a journey. I feel I have sent all what I have and don’t know what else I need. If I have been given enhanced daily for mostly prompting how come they have dismissed this for mental health. Doesn’t make sense to me. 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 57,259 Championing
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    The daily living activities are different to the mobility activities. Scoring points for the daily living doesn't mean you're automatically entitled to score points for following and planning a journey.
    Activity 2B  (4 points): Needs prompting to be able to undertake any journey to avoid overwhelming psychological distress to the claimant.
    Please take note of what calcotti said here..
    calcotti said:
    Ruby123 said:..I do not want to do a full new claim after appeal as this is so daunting. 


    "Overwhelming psychological distress" is a fairly high threshold. see the paragraph which says PPD is "distress related to a mental health condition or intellectual or cognitive impairment resulting in a severe anxiety state in which the symptoms are so severe that the person cannot undertake a journey without being overwhelmed. The threshold is a very high one - a claimant who, without prompting, would be left feeling anxious, worried or emotional does not meet it. OPD may occur in conditions such as generalised anxiety disorder, panic disorder, dementia or agoraphobia."
    What's the reason you need prompting for this activity?


    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
    If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
  • Ruby123
    Ruby123 Community member Posts: 15 Listener
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    The daily living activities are different to the mobility activities. Scoring points for the daily living doesn't mean you're automatically entitled to score points for following and planning a journey.
    Activity 2B  (4 points): Needs prompting to be able to undertake any journey to avoid overwhelming psychological distress to the claimant.
    Please take note of what calcotti said here..
    calcotti said:
    Ruby123 said:..I do not want to do a full new claim after appeal as this is so daunting. 


    "Overwhelming psychological distress" is a fairly high threshold. see the paragraph which says PPD is "distress related to a mental health condition or intellectual or cognitive impairment resulting in a severe anxiety state in which the symptoms are so severe that the person cannot undertake a journey without being overwhelmed. The threshold is a very high one - a claimant who, without prompting, would be left feeling anxious, worried or emotional does not meet it. OPD may occur in conditions such as generalised anxiety disorder, panic disorder, dementia or agoraphobia."
    What's the reason you need prompting for this activity?


    I have severe anxiety depression and ptsd I struggle with going out alone due to ptsd. I get anxious, shortness of breath chest pain nausea etc. I would cancel appointments if my husband could not take me as this would be too much for me. 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 57,259 Championing
    edited April 2022
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    If you went alone what exactly would happen? This is what you need to explain. Giving a couple of real world incidents of exactly what happened the last time you attempted that activity. Include information such as where you were, what exactly happened, did anyone see it and what the consequences were.
    Overwhelming psychological distress would need to apply the majority of the time for you to score points in this descriptor.
    I'd advise you to get some expert advice. Start here. https://advicelocal.uk/

    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
    If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
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