Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)

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  • luvpink
    luvpink Online Community Member Posts: 1,830 Championing
    edited April 4

    It seems like they may want us to lie but I will not do that.

    I will be truthful and tell them I was granted early ill health retirement from my career because it was agreed that I am unable to undertake any paid employment

    All reasonable adjustments were tried and failed

  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Online Community Member Posts: 125 Empowering
    edited April 4

    I'd feel like I'd have no choice but to lie because I guess if I told the truth it'd get back to the work coach and I'd be sanctioned.

    A lot of people on here say if we're forced into jobs what employer would want to take us on since we're so ill? But I'm guessing the work coaches will expect you to play things down and pretend you're not that ill so you get the job, otherwise sanctioned.

  • Girl_No1
    Girl_No1 Online Community Member Posts: 212 Empowering

    @luvpink

    Same here.

    Medically retired, after all reasonable adjustments failed. No expectation I would be able to undertake gainful employment prior to retirement age.

    Light touch review on PIP.

    Support Group- NS-ESA.

    I'd be equally humiliated and enraged if some 18yo, medically unqualified, 'Job Coach' was to attempt to tell me what jobs I could/should be doing.

    Perhaps that's their aim?

    To humiliate us into stopping claiming our current benefits?

  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Online Community Member Posts: 86 Empowering

    What you've said is spot on @noonebelieves 👌👏💪

  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Online Community Member Posts: 86 Empowering

    @Albus_Scope

    After all the posts about Trump, that have appeared on the Green Paper Discussion thread, may I make a suggestion that a separate thread could be created for news and current affairs that would be general and not related to our benefits and all the issues they raise? 🤔

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 912 Championing

    I would like to know how I could play down my scooter or rollator! What a joke that would be.

  • Martinp
    Martinp Online Community Member Posts: 52 Empowering

    when I’m cured by the DWP I’m going to be a firefighter, can’t wait.

  • Girl_No1
    Girl_No1 Online Community Member Posts: 212 Empowering

    I hear you, @Martinp

    I reckon they'll line me up as a lingerie model, miner or motor mechanic.

    Obviously, I'll excel in any of those roles, post DWP cure. 😎

  • noonebelieves
    noonebelieves Online Community Member Posts: 408 Pioneering

    @jul1aorwaysThank you my friend . I’m back on track on this 84 page long green paper of “Liebour” govt. Pls have a look at my post below🤷🏻‍♂️

  • Santosha12
    Santosha12 Online Community Member Posts: 753 Empowering

    Thank You @noonebelieves I've read your post but need to re read it to assimmilate it properly (my mind not your post which is very well written).

    Wasn't sure exactly where to put this and didnt know how to save/upload it, but there's an article from interview with Rachel Reeves this week ? Weds, on Disability News Service by John Pring that I've just seen where RR connecting PIP reassessments with opening up work/employment support.

  • noonebelieves
    noonebelieves Online Community Member Posts: 408 Pioneering

    @Martinp & @Girl_No1 , well, there you go, your “Right to Work” guarantee is alive and kicking (check out point 192!

    As for me, I’ve apparently been “matched” to train as a traffic warden yes, really. This from my work coach  who knows full well that I have mobility issues and a history of falls. Makes perfect sense, doesn’t it?

    At this rate, I’ll be patrolling double yellows with a rollator and a panic alarm. Can’t wait.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 115 Empowering

    In fact, people who are on LCWRA would be hit hardest, particularly those who don't receive any PIP.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 115 Empowering

    Start with asking him what he thinks about Labour's terrifying benefit cuts plan that's wreaking havoc the lives of disabled people and people with long term health conditions.

    Don't just ask him what he thinks about the upcoming plan. Add those adjectives that I've used, or stronger ones.

  • Loulou82xx
    Loulou82xx Online Community Member Posts: 47 Empowering

    I agree we have to unite. It should be the disabled and vulnerable in any society who receive the most help. We all agree on this point. The government haven't said which conditions will be exempt from having to look for work and which won't.

    It should not be about the disability but how it affects daily life I think we all agree on that too.

    So many people have more than one condition to deal with and an accumulation of many condtions have an overall debilitating affect.

    Take my conditions Severe Arthritis combined with Fibro and trimenigal neuralgia and diverticulitis, IBD and hypothyroidism and Kidney issues as an example should qualify but we don't know if it will. I am in a wheelchair due to constant pain and weakness in my legs. I was on enforced bedrest for months due to a tear in my bowel which was slow to heal and numerous infections including an antibiotic resistant one. It is a combination of my conditions which causes me to be disabled and I scored over 4 on 2 descriptors on my last assessment as well as lower scores on others I was on indefinite award on DLA and given a ten year award on PIP in 2019..

    If I lose PIP I lose LCWRA and also my husband who is my carer will lose his allowance and have to return to work we will have no choice which would mean me missing hospital and doctors and physio appointments as he would have to work mon-fri 9-5 and not able to take care of me at all during the day. I already feel a burden to my family. Living with constant pain is exhausting it is soul destroying at times. I have children including one with acute leukaemia, so carry on for their sakes but I would never want them to have to take care of me. I am only in my 40's and I am so worried I just cannot sleep at night and it is unforgivable for the government to do this to vulnerable people to make them sick with worry like this and I cannot help but feel there are evil intentions behind all of this that they see us as a burden to society and not as worthy as somebody able to work.

    Sorry for the long post but I just feel so overwhelmed right now as do many of us and don't know what to do.

  • noonebelieves
    noonebelieves Online Community Member Posts: 408 Pioneering

    Hi @gamer1 ,

    Many thanks for reaching out to my post. I completely agree with you. Like you, I have voiced my concerns not only on Scope but across several platforms regarding these reforms. I am absolutely furious about the proposed cuts and the introduction of the 4-point PIP daily living criteria.

    What I was trying to convey earlier is that some of the comments in the debate were getting too heated, and I was concerned about the upset it might cause to our co-members, myself included, just reading through some of them. I understand the intentions were to debate the policy, but given the volatility of this senseless proposal, those messages could be perceived differently.

    Ok, Coming back to the PIP debate-My views are :

    This whole rushed proposal, at its core, seems to be built on cost-saving motives. Raising the PIP threshold to 4 points would exclude so many people and drastically reduce costs. This, in turn, would almost make it a jackpot for them. If they abolish the WCA, and someone doesn’t meet the PIP criteria but can’t work due to their disabilities for whatever reason, they’d be left with minimal disability support. With no health element or LCWRA, due to the abolition of WCA, they’d receive next to nothing.

    It’s a clever but deeply unethical game plan by the Labour government, thinking it is moral to make such cuts. That’s all I wanted to get off my chest. I’m back on track now.

  • noonebelieves
    noonebelieves Online Community Member Posts: 408 Pioneering

    Yes, @Santosha12

    As always, it’s really lovely to hear from you !

    I believe I know exactly the conversation you’re referring to. Reeves’ comments linking PIP cuts to employment point to a deeply worrying shift—treating vital disability support as a work incentive rather than the lifeline it truly is. It’s yet another blow that risks pushing thousands of us into poverty, isolation, and despair.

    As I’ve said before, these proposals feel utterly senseless, driven by cost-cutting rather than compassion. Just because Labour calls itself the “party of work” doesn’t mean they can shoehorn all disabled people into employment, especially without recognising the sheer diversity and complexity of our lives. Reeves keeps repeating that “many disabled people want to work,” likely quoting from that infamous 3,401-person cohort. That doesn’t even come close to reflecting the reality of 16 million disabled people in the UK.

    The government keeps insisting there’s been extensive consultation(even in this conversation)but what does that really mean? A meeting with a John Lewis manager? That’s hardly representative. It feels deeply flawed, Santosha.

    That’s why I believe it’s crucial we respond to the consultation……loudly, honestly, and with all the emotion and reason this situation calls for. We must demand a complete redraft, led by real disabled voices, disability rights organisations and advocacy groups. True reform should improve the quality of life for people like you, me, many more, including those who may not even have a voice .

    I’m feeling fired up after writing this💪🏽💪🏽so much so, I’m now drafting a personal email to the consultation address. I just wish my pain and insomnia would give me some break 🙄!

    Thank you, as always, for your warmth and thoughtfulness.

    Warmest wishes,

  • gamer1
    gamer1 Online Community Member Posts: 80 Empowering
    edited April 5

    Well, I think if you have mobility issues and already have scored 4 or more points in the descriptors in the past and awarded long term award then you should be fine theoretically that is. I say this because I think to start with they are going to go after people with mental health condition, those on LCWRA being the main focus. They have not released any further info on the WCA so there is no way to knowing what they are planning to change and what the descriptors will be.

    I will say that I am only guessing at this because you can not trust this gov at all, they can go after everyone. We will not know until they release further info on the WCA descriptors etc. Whatever they decide, we will all have to unite and fight it.

  • judie
    judie Online Community Member Posts: 297 Empowering

    It's ridiculous, they are ignoring facts. Several times , when confronted with the official numbers who will be pushed into poverty, MPs have responded but that doesn't take into account how many will be helped into work (the old pocket money line 🤨). What work? What suitable jobs? What flexible employers? What NHS functioning properly to get people fit, especially MH services? They're operating in a fantasy land and as @noonebelieves points out, it's dangerous.