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  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,439 Championing

    I read house of lords agrees don't know if that's factual

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,439 Championing

    Gather all evidence from today keep in a folder and when assessment comes send all I don't know how to deal with this like all of us will we hear on 30th of June after consultation?? Like yourself this is to much of an emotional rollercoaster unbearable

  • onebigvoice
    onebigvoice Scope Member Posts: 909 Pioneering

    Hi all,

    Just to let you know, that I, and ADMIN, are on everyones case 24/7, 365 days a year, and the extra 1 every 4 years as a leap year.

    they work in the background, and where possible DO, give direction as to what you should and you should have not only financially but in MEDICAL CARE. Not so much as "you need to see a doctor about that." as this is done by the NHS (the real ones) but to make sure that anyone struggling to get their heads around every changes that is imposed on us, but, to make sure that all our voices are heard.

    Believe me they are everything but quiet from where I am. always post questions here and also invite friends to join, whether they are working or not, Disabled or long term sick, as we have other catagories here as well, its just at this time because of the "green paper" and the "Discussions which are ongoing about the proposed changes" some here (ADMIN) are frying bigger fish.

    This is where you come in. It is by you showing that a reform for the Disabled or Sick must be a show of how to go forward, not to limit the amount of care and finance you may get to support another benefit that has lack of funds.

    With that in Mind:

    My meeting today at the Tribunal when according to plan, in so much as it made statments of what a tribunal can do and what they can enforce. And it also showed that when a directional notice to produce a certain document of a certain date. That by not doing so now gives me grounds to finish what I have started.

    My first ask. I want a copy of the recorded secession, which will be sent to me via a link so I can hear the full proceeding. This I can then join to the Decision Notice, and check that the information comming from the court on behalf of Secretary of State is also correct.

    ONE, of my biggest bug bares, is when a PDF. document is produced. b) What is needed to amend the "original" document. c) Should you need to see this before any changes are made. d) How it is logged so that others looking at your file can also see the amendment made.

    This is also assuming that you have given permission for them to view its content by ANY government department.

    This is only starters.

    Should you disagree with the content of the change (which should be sent to you to sign that you need to agree before any changes are made) This can be done electronically by e mail and is excepted by all government departments, as long as the reference number of the claim is shown in the subject, and a little note to say I have seen and agree to its content and can confirm my signature as correct.

    This also is used when a claw back of benefits is required, the same as any back payments can also be sent.

    ONE, other point, admin and myself (especially me) only give advice, the final decision to go with or not the points I have raised IS YOURS. I certainly will not feel offended if you disagree with my opinion, and as stated I welcome all comment made Good or Bad, (well not bad but different) as this is how I go forward with what I do.

    Which also by the way, I have a meeting tonight to present the Tribunal Judicial Review of my case, and what I asked for and what I actually got. This meeting is in the upper tiers of what I do so when I state facts to them, they react, again an opinion of my presentation and requests, and which direction I am heading.

    This for another post when the rest of the information comes back.

  • Topcat71
    Topcat71 Online Community Member Posts: 128 Empowering

    Angela Rayner says on YouTube "the rest is politics" 1 year ago video 12.4 sec in video

    "I didn't really understand how mental health could really debilitate people"

    So why Angela are you going to put people through all this with your party changes. Or is it now you are in power you couldn't care less.

  • onebigvoice
    onebigvoice Scope Member Posts: 909 Pioneering

    Hi again,

    This is not correct under the Data Protection Act. You are allowed to see any document held by any one, government or not. As this is how a system evolves. This is why you are allowed to have a copy of the assessment completed by the assessor, before it is sent to the Decision Maker since the decision maker can agree with the report or not? Not really since they hired the assessor because of his medical background and that they are registered on a British Medical Register TO PRACTICE, before the assessment takes place. You have to remember that you are sending in Support letters and letters on Headed paper that is entered on your medical history as support, why don't you ask for your next assessment to be entered onto your medical history? (I have been told off before about this, but.) They cannot enter the report because they are not registered. I welcome any assessment by anyone as long as they know what they are doing,and never refused an assessment from anyone, including the assessment providers hired by the DWP and PIP to assess me.

  • onebigvoice
    onebigvoice Scope Member Posts: 909 Pioneering

    What about being transfered back onto Income Support or Job Seekers? After all the NHS say your disabled its DWP that say your not. So send me back to Job Seekers so I can earn some decent money.

    I went from £68,000 in THREE months with what I was doing to £16800 a YEAR. They seemed to have given me a 1 and the lost a ZERO some where in the calculation?

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 809 Championing

    I watched her bbc interview with a disabled woman before the election. She sounded very compassionate and empathetic towards the disabled. Came across very well. On the day when demented Kendall gave her speech regarding cuts there was Raynor sitting behind her nodding her head . I did read this morning though on a comment section ( maybe B and W) that rayner Lucy Powell and ed mulligans have threatened to quit if it goes ahead . How true this is I don’t know.

  • sarah_lea12
    sarah_lea12 Online Community Member Posts: 267 Empowering
  • waylander9602
    waylander9602 Online Community Member Posts: 20 Contributor

    Hi onebigvoice, I don't really get your reply to secretsquirrel. She asked about it being legally challenged in court as benefits and work said it can't?

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,439 Championing

    I know it's horrendous I'm sorry your suffering god feel same stomach in bits had hope but tbh I'm losing it pls Lord hear our prayers I hate this country used to be so proud now it's going backwards for us not for them barbarians no point phoning doctor noting they can do x

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,439 Championing

    Well you obviously got the grant and it's classed as health and safety take all pictures keep all receipts god we have to worry about everything through fear of them

  • waylander9602
    waylander9602 Online Community Member Posts: 20 Contributor

    Also I asked what scope as charity is doing about the changes? The people at the top?

  • sarah_lea12
    sarah_lea12 Online Community Member Posts: 267 Empowering

    The lady who was coming today had to cancel , she is coming next Tuesday now , my husband has put some boards over the six foot long hole until then , she will survey the house and then we fill some paperwork out .

    I am so stressed about my re-assessment , my health is worse so hopefully I just get awarded , it didn't ask about face to face assessment , but last time i got a phone assessment paper based . I just pray that once the grant side is sorted i will be awarded PIP again , I need a long term award as my hearing will not get better , neither will my other health issues . I've had mental health and agoraphobia since 1973, I am 61 this year , so not long until retirement , then at least I won't need any more assessments as if I don't get pip I will get attendance allowance .

    I never dreamed I'd be facing all this , I am now thinking I didn't do something right in the pip reassessment form , and whether i sent enough evidence. I sent my new conditions test results and also the occupational therapist report , along with pictures of the aids the NHS provided .

    I have no faith in my GP but I have nothing to fear as my conditions are proved by tests and gyno letters .

    Sorry for the long post . I feel so stressed and I know you and everyone else does.

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Online Community Member Posts: 133 Empowering

    Do it, it felt sooo good, well for a few mins lol

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,111 Championing

    Courts can step in if the government doesn’t follow the rules when making decisions. For example, if they rush a decision without proper consultation or hide important details (like in the Ellen Clifford case), courts can order them to redo the process. However, courts can’t block a policy just because it’s unpopular or seems unfair, unless it breaks existing UK laws or human rights.

    If a policy violates human rights, such as causing serious harm by cutting off access to food, housing or healthcare, UK courts must act. They could order the government to change the policy, but ministers might resist or argue the cuts are necessary for economic reasons. These cases are tricky because courts have to weigh the harm against the government’s justification.

    If UK courts don’t solve the issue, people can take their case to the ECHR. The ECHR can’t overturn UK decisions, but it can rule that the UK breached human rights and pressure the government to make changes. It only steps in for serious harm, not just because a policy is harsh or unpopular.

    Challenging policies means proving they break specific legal rules or human rights. Courts focus on whether the government followed the law, not whether the policy is unpopular. If rights are seriously at risk, the ECHR can help, but there must be clear evidence of harm.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 809 Championing

    can someone from scope give some feedback regarding the post in B and W please? Is it true we can’t win in court or is it scaremongering as right now there is no new law to challenge? Does this need to be in law and implemented before someone can challenge it in court ?

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 809 Championing

    according to B and W they’ve taken legal advice and been told we won’t win . So everything Labour wants to implement they can . That doesn’t seem right to me . Half the consultation wasn’t open to us for one thing and OBR hasn’t given their assessment either . So MPs will be voting for it to pass then find out how many will be affected. Surely that alone is the same as the Tory paper .

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Online Community Member Posts: 133 Empowering

    Hi, did you get that info from a certain YouTube channel ? If you did it was very innacurate and misleading. The content creator was actually showing the Conservative party booklet they were doing at the time and that was in 2024 not this year, its old and not the one being sent out now. The Labour one is only being sent to sixty odd thousand claiments at random and is entirely different. Please I ask you not to listen to that person, she has got so many things wrong and when folk in the comments tried to tell her she was wrong, that she was showing an old questionnaire she completely ignored them.

  • onebigvoice
    onebigvoice Scope Member Posts: 909 Pioneering

    The demonstration against scope was because SCOPOE is a charity and not supported by the Government. So when documents were presented to the Parliament about the previous errors that the government had made is was assumed that SCOPE were the cause, not the result of those altered documents presented to parliament every year.

  • bton1968
    bton1968 Online Community Member Posts: 52 Empowering

    Would voting on the legislation be classified as reckless with the fact that they have chosen not to wait for the OBR's impact statement ?