Cost of living payments disregarded question?

If you have say 3 savings accounts and the account that the COL payments went into did go below the amount that was received of the COL payment but the combined amount of your savings from your other accounts which the COL did NOT go into, overall your savings never went below the full amount of the COL payments?
So if my overall capital did not go below the full amount of COL payments in my other accounts but it did go below the COL payments in the account it was received into, then is it correct that my full cost of living payments are still fully recognised?
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H1767 Cost of Living Payments should not be considered as part of a claimant’s capital:
- during the AP they are received or
- In any subsequent AP they remain unspent
I found the above. Basically saying if they remain unspent? But if the account it went into the capital did go lower than the COL payments received but my savings in my other account did not drop below the cost of living payments then can it still be seen as being unspent?
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Hi @blacklight - the COL payments are indeed disregarded indefinitely so long as your total amount of savings (at any time) did not go below that of the amount of COL payments you'd received.
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Thanks so very much for this....
Anything I can refer to legislation wise or is it just common sense really?
As it doesn't mention account specific either. I am also sure I read somewhere on something official that it just says so long as your capital doesn't drop below the amount of COL payments you received then they are still disregard indefinitely and no mention of "in the account in which it went into".
Hehe what do you think of my wee example :)
For example.
Sue has £2,000 in her TSB bank account and has £3,000 in her Halifax account, overall all total £5,000 Her total col payments was £1,550.. She spends £2,000 in her TSB account so is left with zero in that account. The TSB account is the account the COL payments went into. She still has £3,000 in her other account.
Her overall total in savings and capital never dropped below £3,000. She is considered by DWP to still have her £1,550 Col payments. It is irrelevant which account she was paid her COL payments into. It's her overall savings and capital which is taken into account.1 -
Hi again @blacklight - when you mentioned H1767 this is from one of the Advice for Decision Maker's guides i.e. ADM Chapter HI about Capital, & part 1767 relates to Cost of Living (COL) payments as you found. Underneath that are the appropriate links to the Social Security (Additional Payments) Act 2023.
The DWP are not going to go against their own ADM, nor against the Social Security regs that the ADM link to & have to adhere to.
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Hi again and thanks.
I am a bit confused by your last post but that's not your fault just me trying to understand it all and struggling a bit as I like to do everything properly.
I think your last post was a positive one and basically saying that do not worry the DWP will not go against their own ADMs, so therefore as long as your overall capital and savings, (regardless of if the account the COL payments went into went under the amount of the COL payments) remained higher than the COL payments since you received them then the full amount of COL payments you received will still be disregarded. Yes?
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Exactly right! The DWP cannot go against the legislature that has been put in place, namely the Social Security (Additional Payment) regulations of 2023.
I apologise for not explaining too well, but thought as you'd mentioned H1767 you'd found this chapter about Capital & when it can be disregarded referencing the COL payments.
This has also come up on the forum before & answered by 2 people that are very knowledgeable about benefits. I know they're correct, but like to check the regulations myself & there's absolutely nothing in the regs that says it matters into what account any COL payments have been paid. It's just so long as any capital you have doesn't go below the amount of the COL payments you've received (if not, then these COL payments are disregarded indefinitely).
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Very helpful thank you I appreciate it alot. I will make a note in journal asking if they can please disregard our COL payments as despite the specific account it went into dropping below the COL payments amounts, that our overall savings combined ie from other accounts, never at any point fell below the COL payments amount. Hopefully they will then disregard our COL payments for our capital.
On a different subject can I ask you these 3 questions please.
- I set up a child Saver account for obviously my child. However I do have access to it easily as and when as my mother puts in money for our disabled child so when something extra is needed for her we can access it easily. I am guessing that would not be disregarded due to us having access?
2) Also my wife pays into a private pension though her work. It appears on her payslip. I think its taken out of her pay..not sure if it is taxed etc. Presume it is. Is that taken into account for UC purposes as capital?
3) I've heard people have pension pots that they pay into while on UC and it doesn't affect it? Is that true.
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This is an interesting read in relation to 3)
https://www.mikebolton.co.uk/blog/pension-pots-and-universal-credit/
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Ive been asked to provide proof of transfer of cost of living payments from one account to another. I dont understand why they are asking this unless it matters if my bank balance went under the COLP amount before I did the transfer.
Id been assuming it didnt matter as Id seen threads where people stated it was total capital that counted. But I just cant see any other reason for them to be asking for proof of transfers; Ive not seen any other threads where anyone has been asked for proof of transfers though.0
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