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  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,583 Championing

    How many mps need to vote against cuts ? For it not to go ahead

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    Thatโ€™s what I thought but I saw Ben claimant who has a YouTube channel with Ellen Clifford videos on it said he spoke to Tory minister and theyโ€™re voting against. Maybe theyโ€™ve realised itโ€™s a vote winner to go against the cuts . They wonโ€™t win the vote on anything else as Toryโ€™s now 3rd

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    Thatโ€™s what I thought He still hasnโ€™t gone to the vote in parliament or lords.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    Daily rollercoaster but I donโ€™t think they were expecting this amount of fightback

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,583 Championing

    I hope so woke up today feeling what's the point

  • Ironside1990
    Ironside1990 Online Community Member Posts: 397 Pioneering
  • luvpink
    luvpink Online Community Member Posts: 3,965 Championing

    Hi everyone

    I haven't been here much lately but just wanted to let you know I have sent my pip reassessment form in the post today.

    My award doesn't expire until Sept' 2026 and they gave me less than 3 weeks to complete it and get in sent to them.

    I don't trust them so I posted it by next day special delivery and it cost me over ยฃ13 quid.

    Its done now and I'm off for a four night stay cation here in Cornwall later today.

    The weather forecast is looking good this week so hopefully I will have a good time.

    Take care all.

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    I think the Conservatives will vote against Starmerโ€™s welfare plans to play politics. Theyโ€™ve already criticised the changes as rushed and only a short-term fix, to save money not proper reform. This gives them a chance to attack Labour, highlight party splits, and make Starmer look weak. Labour calls itself the party of change, but the Tories will use this to say they are failing.

    The Tories will use this to try to look good by saying, 'Look how Labour is treating the disabled,' even though their own plans would have been harsher. Basically, weโ€™ll become pawns in their game. Still, it might buy time for better, less harsh proposals to come forward.

    If I were a betting woman, Iโ€™d put my money on the Tories using us to score points. But I could be wrong.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    I agree . Toryโ€™s 3rd in the polls . This is the only vote winner they have

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,583 Championing
  • DrAj
    DrAj Online Community Member Posts: 7 Connected
  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Online Community Member Posts: 397 Pioneering
    edited May 2025

    I'm sorry. ๐Ÿ™ I didn't mean to worry you!

    It's being said that because the government are pushing through the proposals with primary legislation, without consultation on the parts of it that are most damaging to us, that the DPOs are saying that they are actually better off challenging them through the courts after the legislation has gone through.

    That may sound alarming but is not as bad as it sounds.

    Previous governments have not tried to put benefit cuts through in this way before so the DPOs are having to deal with it differently.

    After the law is made, they will then have plenty of time until it's implemented next year to challenge the government about how it goes against equality and human rights laws.

    Depriving a protected group, like the disabled of the costs of their disability needs is unlawful. So is depriving anyone of the basics of living like, food, clothing, heating and shelter as the government are going to drive high numbers of us into destitution and homelessness. ๐Ÿ˜ž

    There is not consulting with us on the parts of the legislation that will affect us the most and not doing it properly with other proposals. Plus, them not being prepared to wait until the essential OBR impact assessment which is not due to October. All that is potentially unlawful. ๐Ÿ‘

    Remember too that there is a bigger Local Election with more MPs and councillors standing, this time next year before most of the legislation comes into force.

    We have so many people on our side. Our family, friends, carers, quite a few Labour MPs and the general public. I've just read that their support for people in poverty as many of us are has gone up from 54% to 72% in just the last 6 months! ๐Ÿค—

    Lastly, something that is very important. That is that the deprived areas in this country are under mostly Labour MPs. As so many could be voted out by us and our supporters they are genuinely worried about being in a job this time next year, never mind the General Election!

    There is such a big outcry from Labour Mps, even one or two ministers, that it's threatening the unity of the party.

    Starmer, Reeves and Kendall have really painted themselves into a corner. They are damned if they make this Green Paper into law and damned if they don't. They are hamstrung by the WFA too.

    There is plenty to be hopeful about. There really is. ๐Ÿ˜Š

  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Online Community Member Posts: 397 Pioneering

    Have a good time ๐Ÿ˜Š and good luck with your assessment. ๐Ÿคž

  • DrAj
    DrAj Online Community Member Posts: 7 Connected

    Thankyou Ballatango for your post regarding the DWP Buried reports, everyone must read this. It's a very important post that details just how both the DWP and the govenment work.

    It is very damaging that shows how govenments work - just release information when people are not looking, someone once said 'never miss a good opportunity to release bad news'

  • Tumilty
    Tumilty Online Community Member Posts: 469 Empowering

    Hi

    @luvpink good look with your reassessment. I have called maximus requesting paper but apparently I did one last year and this is the telephone so I have to go with that. ๐Ÿ™. Have a great time I wish I was in Cornwall having a paddle.

    @Catherine21 not sure who I'd have, maybe Abbott,never thought I'd say that.Just want the evil 3 out.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,583 Championing

    Oh no I seen before you posted thankyou so much you know those days no energy motivation x

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,583 Championing

    Honestly agree they have put us under so much terror evil theu really thought the hounds would be at us but it backfired they made to many enemies to quick I'd live john mcdonnell or Jeremy Corbyn imagine it would go back to England as it was before helping each other services for MH and elderly day centres transport something for everyone of every age not greedy gluttonous beings

  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Online Community Member Posts: 397 Pioneering

    Have you seen this very important article from Benefits and Work?

    It reveals evidence that the Government tried to hide (and nearly succeeded) that undermines the main principal of the Pathways to Work Green Paper!! ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

    Please share widely!! The Government really don't want this information to get out about our non existent employment opportunities, under the new proposals in complete contrast to what they've been claiming.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,583 Championing

    Seems labour dividedagain rightly so over labour doing trades with iseral about time

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