What are your concerns about a potential Digital ID?

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  • jonf
    jonf Online Community Member Posts: 238 Empowering

    I seldom have a drink as it could cause problems with medication

  • Chris75_
    Chris75_ Online Community Member Posts: 3,793 Championing
    edited November 5

    I crave drink and cigarettes every day of my life. I can't and won't go back to smoking, but i allow myself a drink on Saturday evenings. It is something i look forward to all week.

  • jonf
    jonf Online Community Member Posts: 238 Empowering

    I am seriously thinking of moving back to Cape Town as I can easily rent my home out.

    Too much big brother in the UK.


    Seriously thinking that I do not belong in my own country.

    I find it very disturbing.


    I was talking to a friend on the phone who lives in Peterborough and apparently they have an identity card that they show when going to a hospital appointment.

    I think Peterborough is a trial area.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,255 Championing

    I agree its is so scary all of this everyday seems walls closing in i have no where to escape too 196 countries signed into this agenda will cape town be free of Digital ID

  • jonf
    jonf Online Community Member Posts: 238 Empowering

    Cape Town has digital identity as well. It has made no difference. What I do know is workmen and older people have no fingerprints so identity or FIKA as it is known becomes a problem.

  • MyHappy256
    MyHappy256 Online Community Member Posts: 131 Empowering

    My concern is that it is another database that hackers can breach and get hold of all my details, also this is an additional cost to the already overburdened public purse and they will try and get the money from more disabled cuts.

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Online Community Member Posts: 2,952 Championing

    I've gone over 30 years since I gave up alcohol

    I hope that I never get tempted again in my life

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,255 Championing

    Its hard feeling so overwelmed with life and whats happening but know thats not the answer im all or noting so will definitely have to be noting

  • Zippy1983
    Zippy1983 Online Community Member Posts: 78 Empowering

    In all honesty… I’m strongly against it!! Personally I see it as an invasion of privacy and see it as a way of the government keeping track of you with organisations such as MI5/6 and GCHQ as well will embed software into the programming of the digital ids, to be able to turn on mobile phone cameras and microphones remotely alongside also switching on your phone even if you have switched it off. Plus they would be able to keep an accurate track of your whereabouts with location services.

    I for one won’t be signing up for one or downloading any form of digital id software.

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Online Community Member Posts: 309 Championing

    A digital/physical hybrid and on a voluntary basis is something I would agree with. I never had an issue with an American style ID card and I suspect the Tories in 2010 were against physical ID because they wanted Digital ID rather than some Libertarian belief.

    The Tories themselves put forth digital frameworks in a bill in 2022/2023, the framework was already being created before Labour got into government.

  • geckobat
    geckobat Online Community Member Posts: 189 Empowering

    No fan of them either but Blair has been pushing for this for a very long time.

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Online Community Member Posts: 2,952 Championing

    Everyone appears petrified of Big Brother watching them - but in my view - why on earth would BB be interested in the daily life of a normal human being ?

    Unless that individual is doing something wrong/illegal - the technology still doesn't exist to "track every movement of **** million people going about there normal hum drum days" and if they did find an individual who had raised a suspicion - then yes, it could potentially save a life or two.

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,660 Championing

    Wibbles, you said “Everyone appears petrified of Big Brother watching them, but in my view, why on earth would Big Brother be interested in the daily life of a normal human being?”

    It is a fair question. But the issue for me is not whether someone is personally interested in my life, it is about the systems that collect and store data automatically.  Most surveillance today is not driven by someone sitting in an office watching your every move. It is powered by automated systems, cameras, algorithms, social media tracking, advertising tools, all collecting data constantly and indiscriminately. These systems do not choose what to record, they gather everything about all of us by default.

    And when algorithms go wrong, they do not just make harmless mistakes. They can misidentify people, flag innocent behaviour as suspicious, or reinforce biased patterns. The consequences can range from being unfairly profiled to being denied services or opportunities without explanation.

    I do not see my views on identity and data as paranoia. For me, it is about respecting privacy. If safety now means collecting everyone’s data , then perhaps the real danger lies in how we have come to define safe.

  • jonf
    jonf Online Community Member Posts: 238 Empowering

    the downside is that like the driving licence you will have to pay for a new id every five or ten years

  • geckobat
    geckobat Online Community Member Posts: 189 Empowering
    edited November 11

    @Wibbles The whole "if you're not doing anything wrong why are you worried?" argument is a cop out.

    What happens when laws and policies and agendas change? What do you do when what was previously nothing wrong, is now wrong in the eyes or the algorithms that have this power over you?

    Or how about the Horizon Post Office scandal where people who had done nothing wrong lost so much and sometimes their freedom or their lives?

    Besides that, there are a great many reasons against it and as @MW123 implied, privacy is important and our right, and we should guard it for as long as possible.

  • Usernametaken
    Usernametaken Online Community Member Posts: 14 Connected

    Its a NOpedy nope NOPE from me.

    They herded the population down the digital bank route (and they went because it was more convenient and easier and less trouble, tappedy tap with the card and off you go, feels like you didn't spend anything.) For some people - like myself Cash is much easier to manage, I can physically hold and see that money in my hand and it makes me stop, think and consider before I buy. This is not just a "regular" problem I have ADHD, therefore if I have digital currency - its not really like spending money, I tap, don't think about it and spend more, can't budget and overspend because my brain doesn't really think about the consequences.

    They touted this as convenience and practicality,. and the majority of people bought into that.

    A Few but not all of The actual consequences are: Loss of High Street Banks, Cash machines making you pay for taking cash out, extra money on goods to make up for the cost of the machines you pay with. Having to go through multiple steps (this is especially relevant if you are Neurodivergent and can't do multi-steps) and then when the banking systems crash (as they have done more than once!) people can be left without heat, electric, transport, food and being unable to pay mortgages, rent and bills. Then there is the fraud connected with this, people getting scammed (especially the elderly and Neurodivergent people) theft of your bank details and the list goes on.

    Now some shops are refusing to take cash, and the implications of this will deepen as time goes on. Costs WILL rise, we WILL pay more, and in the long run it will cost us more and more money for this convenience and inconvenience when it all goes wrong.

    Add to that that the government bodies now have the legality to snoop into your personal affairs and to take action against you, and even if you haven't done anything wrong you will be GUILTY until you prove yourself innocent. Many people have found themselves locked out of their accounts, and the banking system refuses to even tell that customer why that happened. So expect the same from the Digital ID.

    If you believe this is a "one off" apply The same princicples to self-service check outs. You may think you didn't vote for them but you likely did unaware that you were doing so. The deception was in the helpful member of staff who offered to "show you how it worked" to "scan your items in and help you pay" in doing so even though you were not using that till, you became one of the statistics and voted with your "feet".

    Apply similar principles to the Organ donor "card/Scheme". Being an organ donor is 100% an amazing thing for anyone to volunteer for and I take my hats off to anyone who does this or donates blood or anything along those lines.

    This should NEVER ever have been brought in as a mandatory thing, you should NEVER EVER have to opt out of anything. It should be Voluntary and a person WANTING to do this, not you are doing this until you opt out. I cannot be an organ donor as I have health problems which mean I can't BUT prior to that I was on the donor register and happy to be on it, but VOLUNTARILY. Once we give our rights away even for small issues such as this, they continue taking liberty with our liberties.. what seems like a small and convenient and understandable thing often spirals into us giving an inch and them taking a mile!

    The Digital ID is not a surprising thing to me, like everything else that is happening, the banking, the self service check outs, the donor schemes and everything else has had the foundations laid for decades. it is the equivalent of the adage of the frog being slowly boiled to death in the pot by the water heated slowly.

    Take a look at how easy it is for the masses to be controlled - the Covid scandal, and there really is no more appropriate word here "scandal". Now again do not get me wrong, this isn't about who or who did not take the vaccine nor is it talking about the implications or doing or not doing so. This is objectively looking past that at how easily the Government manipulated and coerced the public.. First they scared the population, ramping up the tactics to a crescendo, the point that the majority of the public were so terrified they just followed everything they were told, without being able to make or form a conscious, well rounded thought or opinion on what they wanted or didn't want. When people (especially a large group of people) are running for their lives in an adrenaline fuelled panic - they are automatically going to latch onto any hope of escape they can, therefore they did what they were told. Which, is generally a pretty safe and reasonable thing to do. But! it also means they do not think clearly, and overlooked the misinformation and were coerced into behaving and doing things they may not choose to do if in a rational state of mind.

    I am Audhd - I have INSANE pattern recognition skills and I mean mine are exceptionally good, I may not always be focusing on them or listening to patterns but instinctively I am usually registering them in my subconscious. This means I see patterns that other people may not and connections instinctively between things that many people might miss unless its pointed out to them.

    I am not a conspiracy theorist - although I may dive into those for a bit of "fun" just for a laugh and to expand my mind into some what ifs to ask some big questions about live, death and the universe.

    When they brought in Microchipping for animals I was like uhoh! and my brain went Ping! (red flag) this was connected to a course I did in college which was on consumer and consumer law about 35 or more years ago when things like how the monetary systems would change over the years and what the projected outcome could end up looking like.

    This immediately registered with me as a way of "test driving" a pilot scheme for humans. and here we are, humans are actually using chips in some countries instead of keys for their doors and so forth.

    A few years ago the news ran some stories on child kidnapping and they ran a series of these over some time. I kept an eye on this to see where they were leading. And sure enough as soon as the public were aroused enough along came the "leading discussions" on forums and social media about microchipping children. And again, much like we saw during Covid, the same mob mentality is replicated. The circular arguments going round and around "If you love your Child you would get this done!" "if you don't do this you don't love your child you should have it taken off you" and so forth, pretty much the same arguments that were rehashed during the epidemic.

    So here we have some things to consider, a wide view on various issues all connected in the sense that "we sign up for one thing, and we end up with another" and "critical thinking skills are pretty poor these days, and worse when there is fear and mob-mentality is achieved".

    The question is, how objective can you be, how much effort is your freedom worth to you? is it the Blue pill or the Red pill that appeals to you more?

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,255 Championing

    I agree they are slowly taking all freedoms and rights people who suffer mental health been made more paranoid its shocking really shocking

  • geckobat
    geckobat Online Community Member Posts: 189 Empowering

    We've had DWP questioning people on what they've spent a tenner on just because they're on benefits, and people want to give the powers that be more power over us?

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,255 Championing

    Wow what to say I hate ot all like all of us i wish I could get out of this inhumane system it impacts more on our illnesses I hate it so much cant rest always worried we are going backwards not forwards

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,660 Championing

    Your post really resonated with me. You have laid out a pattern many people feel but rarely name, especially how convenience quietly erodes choice. For neurodivergent people, digital systems are not just harder, they are riskier. Opt-out policies, forced tech adoption, and the slow disappearance of alternatives all chip away at autonomy. It is not paranoia to notice patterns as you have, it is vigilance.

    The real threat isn’t Big Brother watching, it’s a million invisible Little Brothers. Algorithms, sensors, and data brokers quietly profiting from your information and making decisions about you that you can’t see or challenge.

    The danger is not being caught doing something wrong, but the potential of  being flagged as someone who might. Privacy should not need defending. The question for me is not “why do I want privacy?” but “why do you need my data?”