Universal credit - Gifted 30k to buy a caravan

Lobby
Lobby Online Community Member Posts: 1 Listener
edited December 3 in Everyday life

we live in an old caravan if we were to be gifted say 30k for a new one how would this affect our universal credit

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  • Littlefatfriend
    Littlefatfriend Online Community Member Posts: 335 Pioneering

    Precisely thanks Chris75

    That's the way to do it.

    Simples!

    😹

  • MCMikey
    MCMikey Online Community Member Posts: 54 Empowering

    Otherwise the month you received the donation (over that's month's assessment period I should say) you'd receive no UC. You're UC would be paused and assuming you straightaway bought the caravan, informed the UC of that fact you're UC should be resumed in next assessment period.

  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 5,419 Championing

    Hi,

    Do you have direct experience of this?

    From what we've seen so far, going over £16k in savings ends a claim completely, it doesn't just get paused.

    If you start to earn money from working, that situation effectively pauses UC.

  • MCMikey
    MCMikey Online Community Member Posts: 54 Empowering

    2022 my dad what's going to buy me a flat (75% of the equity in it, the housing associate would have owned the other 25%). I asked the question to the housing association if my dad could pay for it directly from his own bank account thus circumventing the UC issue. They said no, it must be paid from my bank account, so obviously necessitating my dad to make a transfer to my account and then for me to buy the property. I inquired what would happen to my UC even if the capital was only in my account for one day and was informed that because I had excess money in an assessment period I would lose UC for that period and would be able to reinstate the next assessment period.

    One caveat is that the purchase wasn't made because my dad passed away so what I've said above wasn't tested in the real world, so do your own checks.

  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 5,419 Championing

    Thank you. I wouldn't trust that advice unfortunately, UC staff often give out false information.

  • Theinternet
    Theinternet Online Community Member Posts: 27 Contributor

    I don't think you were given great advice to be honest. If it was money for a deposit that normally can be held in trust by the solicitor and paid to whoever is selling the property upon completion. At no point would such funds need to hit the account.

  • MCMikey
    MCMikey Online Community Member Posts: 54 Empowering

    Quite possibly, I've never bought a property before (my father was going to pay the full amount, no mortgage). I've since read instead of it being paid from my own bank account to the solicitor, my father could pay for it directly but would need some sort of gift letter declaration.

  • Stellar
    Stellar Online Community Member Posts: 366 Pioneering

    You don't need somebody to give you lived experience behind that advice. What you've read online is correct. UC exists to trap people in poverty, not help them.

    Your best option is to get the person offering to gift you the money to buy the caravan on your behalf, before they transfer ownership to you.

  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 5,419 Championing

    I'm not buying a caravan. This isn't my thread.

    Unless I can move to a more suitable property soon, I will end up over £16k in savings myself at some point though, so need to find the best way to navigate that situation when it happens.

  • Stellar
    Stellar Online Community Member Posts: 366 Pioneering

    Apologies for misdirecting that part of my advice at you.

    If there's any way for you to spend some of your money now, that may be viable. The DWP won't require you to justify receipts in the same way they would for climants over 16k. You have more scope to treat yourself.

  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 5,419 Championing

    No problem. Unfortunately I can't spend any more of my income due to restrictive health conditions and living arrangements. I can't drive anymore or travel by any other mode of transport. And I have a small upstairs studio flat with no space and no garden etc. If I was able to move to a more accessible property then I would spend more on rent as well as having the space to use and store things to improve my quality of life, but it's just not possible here. I've been trying to move for the last 5 years though, so realistically it's not likely to happen.

    I have found a potential workaround, where I could choose to close my claim before reaching £16k, and then make a rapid reclaim a few months later once the savings had dropped, without having to go through ID verification and another WCA etc. But I just don't have any direct evidence to prove that this method would work so far. The only evidence I have seen is of people accidentally going over £16k and losing the whole award without realising they couldn't quickly reopen it in future.

  • MCMikey
    MCMikey Online Community Member Posts: 54 Empowering

    If you're below state pension age and not working If you haven't already, you could put max £2,880 per tax year into a private pension (grossed up by the government to £3,600) all perfectly without penalty and above board. Of course when you finally take your pension it can affect other benefits. Into a prepaid funeral scheme c.£1,500 to £5k say, it's gonna happen sometime, again all allowable...

  • Theinternet
    Theinternet Online Community Member Posts: 27 Contributor
    edited December 8

    Hi MCMikey,

    The thing is, regardless what happens the DWP need to be notified. That's a trap I think a lot of people fall into but by putting it in a trust, it never becomes your asset outside of your principal home which is normally disregarded capital for benefits purposes.

    It just makes it a lot harder for the DWP to cause you problems legally. If the funds were placed in your account and then you used them to buy a property, not only would they be able to stop the UC claim, they could argue you'd deprived yourself of capital in the process. The end result might be them overturning their decision but it could take many months, possibly over a year if they got nasty over it.

    I guess your father owning it first could also work but that might create problems for him too.

  • MCMikey
    MCMikey Online Community Member Posts: 54 Empowering

    Yes, absolutely I would (and did) inform the DWP of the intention for my dad to pay, and as I said earlier in the end it never happened.

    I would always inform the DWP via the online journal so once given the go ahead you can evidence this easily. I think phone conversation recordings can be more easily lost (or at least less easily found).

  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 5,419 Championing

    I am already doing that. But I sincerely hope I don't make it to pension age, so this feels like money wasted in my case. I will need the money if I can move into a more suitable property, no use to me locked away for another 30+ years.

  • MCMikey
    MCMikey Online Community Member Posts: 54 Empowering

    Apologies to the original post as we've diverted somewhat from that.

    I understand, at least partly. My view on my pension was sort of the same about not wanting to reach it due to pain, but I thought at least I can pass it down to my chosen beneficiaries and maybe if I do reach pension age by then may be better which is probably unrealistic hope, but hope all the same.

    On the particular property you wish to move into and after looking for 5 years, it's never going to be perfect, but maybe there is something better than where you are now. The shorter stress and strain of moving versus the long-term stress and strain of staying where you are. Only you can answer that. On moving as you have the finance, and as I don't know what your capability are, maybe make it easier on yourself - I looked into how much it would cost for a removals company to move the contents of my flat without me having to do anything and set it all up again in somewhere new (to push the point, I said to them that I won't be boxing anything and all I'm going to take are my socks and undies!). The quote I was given several years ago was £1,500, maybe double that now.

  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 5,419 Championing

    I can't move because landlords don't want people like me in their properties. The Housing Association puts people like me at the bottom of their list. And mortgage companies don't give mortgages to people like me. I did actually have to move about 75% of my possessions earlier this year to have maintenance carried out on the current property after 'making do' with major faults here for years. So I don't mind the actual move, it's mainly the society we live in means it's just not possible. I've also continued to lose abilities during that 5 years. I could still drive back then for example. My moving radius is now much smaller than it was then.

    I don't have kids or a partner or anything, so no beneficiaries to pass anything down to.