State Pensions - claim early
I believe that certain disabled individuals should be entitled to claim their state pensions, up to 5 years early - especially those who are expected to die early - because we have still made our NI contributions…..
Perhaps those claiming enhanced PIP should be entitled ?
Anyone agree ?
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How do you know your going to die 5 years early I have known people get told they have months left and there still going after many years
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Probably won't die 5 years early
I said, "claiming pension" 5 years early
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You haven't paid for your own state pension, but for those who came before you.
If I was never sick, never incarcerated, never used the roads etc; I wouldn't be due a rebate at pension age.
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I have contributed 40 years worth of NI and if I die before claiming - how is that fair ?
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There isn't a pigeon hole in Whitehall with "Wibbles' Taxes" written on it. You weren't paying into a savings scheme.
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NI contributions you have paid, are recorded in your name. Your NI record is exactly what’s used to decide whether you get a full State Pension, a reduced one, or none at all.
So while NI isn’t a personal savings pot, it’s also not some anonymous pile of money floating around in a metaphor. It’s a personal contribution record, and that’s why questions about fairness for people who may not reach pension age are valid.
And for context, many countries do allow early access to state pension income for people with severe disability or reduced life expectancy. The UK is actually unusual in not having any equivalent provision.
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Right so you agree with me ?
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100% agree with you.
NI isn’t a savings pot, but it is built on your own contributions. A system that demands decades of payments yet ignores the reality of disability or serious illness simply isn’t fair. Allowing people with severe, medically verified conditions to access their State Pension early isn’t radical, it is common sense.
And here is the point that needs saying clearly, if you have a private pension, you can access it early on ill health grounds. The rules, the mechanism, the principle already exist. But if you have spent your life paying into the State system, often because a private pension wasn’t an option, you are told to wait no matter how sick you are.
Other countries recognise this gap and address it. The UK doesn’t. That gap between contribution and access isn’t just a policy flaw, it is a fundamental failure of fairness.
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Why should it be that if you are claiming a benefit, that should be able get your state pension early?…No other working person would be able to do it, no matter what position they're in.
What makes you or them so special that you could get your pension early because say your getting PiP?. It's a bit like wanting your insurance that covers your death early because you won't be able to spend it when you've gone lol
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This has nothing to do with people claiming benefits or PIP. It is about fairness for those with medically verified severe or life‑limiting conditions who have already paid in for decades.
The idea that “no one else can do that” is not accurate. Private pensions already allow early access on ill‑health grounds. It is standard practice, not special treatment.
So why does the same principle not apply to the State Pension, especially for people who have contributed for 40+ years but physically cannot work to pension age?
And this may surprise you, @SwiftFox, but there are thousands of people who do not qualify for means‑tested benefits, yet when serious illness ends their working life, they are left with nothing.
These are people who have done everything society asked of them, paid in for 40+ years, worked hard, contributed faithfully. And when they need the system most, it turns its back. They are not asking for handouts. They are asking for the dignity of accessing what they have already earned. Other countries recognise this gap and address it, so why not the UK?
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But we aren't on about private pensions are? And the first post mentions if claiming pip doesn't it. Please don't go on the defensive bit about who and who can't claim benefits bit as that's getting boring. The poster said about drawing state pension early, maybe if claiming pip.
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No because you would then be bringing in "means tested" State Pensions - which we do not want to go near !
private pensions are a totally separate thing and nothing to do with State Pensions.
SP's are paid out at 67 - not before under any circumstances - PP's can be paid out from 40's or even before (IHR)
I only mentioned PIP because people trying to claim an early SP would likely be receiving PIP.
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I must admit, I am struggling to understand how one could worry about what they are missing out on financially, when they are dead? 🤔
To give an example, supposing I want my funeral now, as i have paid for it.
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The question isn’t whether anyone cares about “missing out” when they’re dead, that completely misses the point. The real issue is how people are supposed to live in the years before they die if they are too ill to work, do not qualify for means tested support, and have no other income. After a lifetime of contributions, can they pay the bills, keep some dignity, and have basic financial security?
Early access for a clearly defined group, people with severe or life limiting, medically verified conditions, is about basic fairness in those final working age years, not about special treatment or wanting “something extra”.
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I actually always thought you could claim it early if medically retired 😆🫣 oops!
That highlights I’m talking from a complete place of ignorance and purely voicing some ideas as they come to me, but I suppose the argument could be made it could incentivise people to be found medically unfit- and where do you draw the line?? At what age? At what level of contribution? What conditions?Right now I can’t keep a stable job and some of my conditions could see me medically retired despite being in my 30s, but in a few years who knows? I’d definitely like to think I’ll be working again and still take the occasional contract
But also if you’ve made full contributions and suddenly can’t work at nearer pension age, maybe there should be a way to access it hmmm
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If a person has savings, can they not spend them to make their life more comfortable? The old saying is very true - there are no pockets in a shroud.
One of my gandfathers managed a butcher shop for a wealthy man for most of his working life.
This wealthy man suffered terribly in later years, I remember as a lad seeing him hobbling painfully on 2 sticks, going no further than around the house and into his classic Bentley.
A mobility scooter would have really helped this man, even in the mid 1980s, such scooters were available to buy privately. The trouble was, he was very miserly.
Imagine having some millions to your name, but preferring severe pain to spending a thousand or two on a virtually life changing vehicle?
My grandfather served this man faithfully, he managed a very successful business on his behalf. He was given an ancient and rusty Renault as a retirement present. A car that had sat around for years on this wealthy man's grounds.
Unless one intends to be buried with the stuff, I say one should spend it whilst they still can.
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Where's the 'fair' in adding SEVEN years to my retirement age? That is the direction of travel in the name of equality: later not earlier.
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I understand your point, and I do appreciate what you’re saying about how unpredictable health can be. Your concern about people being incentivised is exactly why my idea is so narrow.
You simply can’t fake a well‑documented, incurable medical condition such as motor neurone disease or an incurable cancer that physically affects the body. These illnesses have clear diagnostic pathways, specialist involvement, and objective clinical evidence behind them. They’re not the sort of conditions anyone could talk their way into or exaggerate for gain.
That’s why I’m talking about a very small group of people with severe, irreversible conditions and a full or near full NI contribution record. This isn’t something open to manipulation but a safeguard for those whose circumstances are already beyond doubt.
Many countries already allow early pension access in these situations under strict medical criteria, including Australia, New Zealand, parts of Europe, Canada and the United States.
With our own retirement age now rising to 67, it seems entirely reasonable for the government to consider something similar here.
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