Universal Basic Income: What Would It Mean for Disabled and Long Term Sick?
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The older i get i understand myself more i used to think it was me but my brain is structered different from society work is so easy for some people its impossible for me it destroys my mental health has me in pieces
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Same with me too Catherine.
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Don't give the government ideas @Catherine21
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I didn't mention people who can't work, I mentioned how mp's would like it to be. It will send everything backwards by 40 odd years when it was basic sick money, you didn't get add ons for how sick you were. They're quite fortunate to what they can claim now, but if you're out of work, then it would be good for you to work, there's no argument with that. I was out of work for a year and it demorolises you and makes you feel worthless, but when you're earning again, you feel good and you feel like you belong in society again. No, work is good for you Ross, the longer you stay out of work, the more ill you feel. Just remember there are a lot of people claiming who will rejoin the workforce and be thankful to.
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It's actually you who has jumped the gun here, as I never said you did, so I'm not sure where you got that from.
Not everyone out of work feels 'worthless' without it. While your personal experience of feeling better after returning to work is valid, many people find that 'belonging in society' isn't tied to an employer.
You also have no idea about whether work is good for me or not, as you don't know me or much about my health. Obviously where I said 'Same with me too' has just gone in one ear and out of the other.
At this point you're jumping the gun, assuming things, and projecting onto others 'Well I feel this way so other people must do to'. Your personal experiences are not the universal rule for everyone else.
Everyone is different, no one thinks or feels the same, what might be important or good for one person may not be important or good for another.
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I think @Ross1975 is making a very important point. People do not all experience work in the same way. Some people do feel better when they are working, and that is completely valid, but it does not mean everyone else will feel the same. For many disabled people, work is not just difficult, it is impossible or it can make their health worse. That does not make them any less valuable or any less part of society.
A lot of people do not base their sense of worth or belonging on having a job, and it is unfair to assume that they should. You cannot look at someone else’s life, health, or circumstances and decide what would be “good for them”, especially when you do not know what they are dealing with every single day.
This is why support systems have to recognise that not everyone can work, not everyone will get better, and not everyone’s wellbeing improves through employment. A fair system has to make space for all of those realities, not just the ones that match a particular story about work.
This is why I personally do not feel a Universal Basic Income system, if it was ever introduced, would be good for the United Kingdom.
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Yebbut by the same token, I know full well there's a myriad of disabled people who could no more go out and work than I could put on my Superman costume with the big flowing red cape and actually fly, including most of the residents I live with.
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I wasn't advocating making disabled people go out to work, I was talking in the sense of if you're fit and unemployed, not a word about making disabled working.
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You was, I have disabilities yet you were telling me work would be good for me, therefore surely you think I should be working? So does this extend to all disabled people or just me?
Surely we should stick to the facts of what was actually said? 😊Btw, out of curiosity, how do you deal with weeds in your garden, do you pull them up, use the boiling water method like me, use weed killer, or something else?
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Awful isnt it the whole of societys structure is unbearable i could last a momth max not even that and i would go into complete meltdown and literally shutdown and hide in my room sobbing
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@SwiftFox It's not possible for disabled people to get a job, trust me I've been trying since 1995 and keep getting rejected despite the illegality of direct discrimination.
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Wrong .. Wrong.. Wrong..
You can't say that without proof.
You couldn't have any more health issues than I have - and I got myself a job - retiring, after 30 years of civil service - I was offered a job working at a local secondary school …
You've got to really want a particular job and really go for it !
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Please read carefully Wibbles, I'm not advocating disabled people getting a job. Now please go back and read again.
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I think you've forgotten that you said this and you know I have disabilities 'No, work is good for you Ross, the longer you stay out of work, the more ill you feel.'
Here is a direct link to your comment: Universal Basic Income: What Would It Mean for Disabled and Long Term Sick? - Page 4 — Scope | Online Community
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Reported.
I just emailed the Community team seeing as flagging doesn't work for some reason?
Please desist in your current line of having a pop at every member, including me, for their opinions.
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I am not having a go at anyone, I said if you are fit and out of work then it demoralises you!
Don't find things that are not there.
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And that right there is the point, most disabled people are NOT fit to work and have been officially declared that by the DWP, including me just over 10 years ago (even though at the time I'd spent most of the previous 20 years working on a volunteer basis for nearly every known Charity in Sheffield)
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What's right there?.
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looking at UBI it would appear at first glance to be an initially good thing, but even though I cannot elaborate further on here, I’m concerned for many reasons on what it could lead to and instead, I would prefer to keep the current system as is, with perhaps some improvements and less “red tape” easier and more direct routes to higher payments with less requirements in between
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Any benefits alterations in this present welfare state, I fear they will only flow in one direction.
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