Hi, my name is Drowssap_7! Should I appeal the decision?

Drowssap_7
Drowssap_7 Online Community Member Posts: 2 Listener

I had been moved from Invalidity Benefit to Incapacity Benefit and later to ESA. The latter move (unbeknown to me) meant I would lose my National Insurance Stamp Credit at the end of Year one of being on ESA.

The DWP accepted I could not work but decided I was capable of work-related activities. I made an appeal and found myself in a strange situation. I thought I was attending a medical appeal to have myself placed back on Invalidity Benefit but instead had the woman in charge of the Tribunal give talks on four subjects: Education; Democracy; Public Health and the necessity of paying taxes. Questions about my being able to cook arose. I can cook and said as much detailing some dishes I cook.

The woman next said she had made her decision: 'A new law has been passed: if you can cook you cannot have benefits'. I have since found there is no new law that says this. My 'appeal' was failed (8 years ago). Given there is no law saying I must cook, would this appeal now be upheld? Can such an appeal succeed? Or, given that most persons seem to be able to engage in 'work related activities', would it be a waste of my time?

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  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 5,795 Championing

    Hi,

    This all sounds very odd. There are several things here that don't make any sense. Being able to cook does not affect ESA at all. But it does affect PIP.

    Can you tell us which benefits you are on now? ESA, UC, PIP, etc? Or do you live from some other funds such as savings?

  • Drowssap_7
    Drowssap_7 Online Community Member Posts: 2 Listener

    Hi OverlyAnxious

    I had originally been on Invalidity Benefit. This became Incapacity Benefit and finally ESA. This last switch entailed losing my annual National Insurance Stamp Credit so after one year I would not be able to claim benefits. When I appealed I was sure I was making a medical appeal for loss of benefits and wanted to challenge the change from Invalidity Benefit. I have MS & coeliac. The DWP accepted I could not work because I had to manage incontinence.

    I discovered that PIP another benefit (not ESA) had a specific cooking test but this does not disqualify anyone from benefits - only a part of a PIP benefit relating to being able to cook safely and in a certain time etc,. The woman in charge of my appeal spoke on the four subjects I mentioned which had no relevance either to my medical appeal or to the actual appeal she told me about at the very end of the 'hearing'.

    She said at the end of the hearing, there has been a new law passed that says if you can cook you cannot get benefits. What I discovered is that there was no such new law at all. I have been advised not to challenge her decision because I would need to employ a lawyer! Maybe she would deny it. There was a Doctor sitting next to her but maybe he might not remember anything or would corroborate anything she might say - a denial of everything she said.

    A fresh appeal about the change to ESA from Invalidity is what I am not sure about. The woman in charge of the hearing had to have lied saying what she said. She could be a circuit court judge and if she has lied would she admit it? Could she have been 'mistaken'? I don't think anyone would imagine a mistake had been made. I also had not been informed of this 'new law' before or during the hearing. She claimed to be impartial. Holding back pertinent information about the nature and substance of the appeal does not indicate an impartial person. Another lie.

    I don't think she is the sort of person who claimants want to meet in the Court system. She did say that if she had told me about the new law at the beginning of the hearing, I would have said I could not cook. She is happy to draw unwarranted inferences about me - I would certainly not have said I can't cook. I am now retired but I did lose about 2 years benefit from 2015. I lived on my very small work pension & savings. I hope this clarifies things for you but if people in Court Circuits go to such extreme lengths to appellants as to lie, what hope is there?

    Many thanks for your interest.

    Drowssap_7!

  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 5,795 Championing
    edited 12:13PM

    Thank you for the extra information.

    I am sorry that you had such a poor experience with the tribunal system.

    As this all happened so many years ago, you would need legal representation (a lawyer) to get anywhere with it now. It is way beyond the regular tribunal appeals that we usually advise about on here.

    The judge won't admit to lying, they most likely won't even remember one case from over 10 years ago. They may have even passed away since then. If you have any paperwork from the tribunal stating that the award was purely based on ability to cook then I think you do potentially have a case. But if it's just a memory of verbal exchange then I'm afraid I don't see any realistic chance of moving forward with this.

    It is a shame that you did not seek further advice at the time as you would have had good grounds to appeal further back then.