PIP - Distance walked before having to stop

Flowersmith1
Flowersmith1 Online Community Member Posts: 22 Connected
edited September 2022 in PIP, DLA, ADP and AA
I am unsure how to measure the distance I walk aided before stopping.

On the form it is just a tick box but do I need to state exactly how far on a bad day, a good day or on average. It all depends on so many factors on any given day - my pain levels, balance issue, the surface etc.

At the assessment will they ask me to walk and measure the time it takes and the distance covered before stopping etc

Confused.

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  • Tori_Scope
    Tori_Scope Scope Posts: 12,464 Championing
    edited September 2022
    Hi @Flowersmith1 :) How are you doing today? 

    You might find it helpful to read Benefits and Work's page on the PIP points system. In particular, the 'additional information' section at the bottom. I've pasted some of the information below.
    Variable and fluctuating conditions
    Taking a view of ability over a longer period of time helps to iron out fluctuations and presents a more coherent picture of disabling effects. Therefore the descriptor choice should be based on consideration of a 12-month period.

    Scoring descriptors will apply to individuals where their impairment(s) affects their ability to complete an activity on more than 50 per cent of days in the 12 month period. The following rules apply:

    If one descriptor in an activity applies on more than 50 per cent of the days in the period – i.e. the activity cannot be completed in the way described on more than 50 per cent of days – then that descriptor should be chosen.

    If more than one descriptor in an activity applies on more than 50 per cent of the days in the period, then the descriptor chosen should be the one which applies for the greatest proportion of the time.

    Where one single descriptor in an activity is not satisfied on more than 50 per cent of days, but a number of different descriptors in that activity together are satisfied on more than 50 per cent of days – for example, descriptor ‘B’ is satisfied on 40 per cent of days and descriptor ‘C’ on 30 per cent of days – the descriptor satisfied for the highest proportion of the time should be selected.
    Reliably, in a timely fashion, repeatedly and safely
    An individual must be able to complete an activity descriptor reliably, in a timely fashion, repeatedly and safely; and where indicated, using aids and appliances or with support from another person (or, for activity 10, a support dog). Otherwise they should be considered unable to complete the activity described at that level.

    Reliably 
    means to a reasonable standard.

    In a timely fashion means in less than twice the time it would take for an individual without any impairment.

    Repeatedly 
    means completed as often during the day as the individual activity requires.

    Consideration needs to be given to the cumulative effects of symptoms such as pain and fatigue – i.e. whether completing the activity adversely affects the individual’s ability to subsequently complete other activities.

    Safely 
    means in a fashion that is unlikely to cause harm to the individual, either directly or through vulnerability to the actions of others; or to another person.
    Risk and Safety
    When considering whether an activity can be undertaken safely it is important to consider the risk of a serious adverse event occurring. However, the risk that a serious adverse event may occur due to impairments is insufficient – there has to be evidence that if the activity was undertaken, the adverse event is likely to occur.
    Aids and appliances
    The assessment will take some account of aids and appliances which are used in everyday life. In this context:

    Aids 
    are devices that help a performance of a function, for example, walking sticks or spectacles.

    Appliances 
    are devices that provide or replace a missing function, for example artificial limbs, collecting devices (stomas) and wheelchairs.

    The assessment will take into account aids and appliances that individuals normally use and low cost, commonly available ones which someone with their impairment might reasonably be expected to use, even if they are not normally used.

    Individuals who use or could reasonably be expected to use aids to carry out an activity will generally receive a higher scoring descriptor than those who can carry out the activity unaided.
    Support from other people
    The assessment will take into account where individuals need the support of another person or persons to carry out an activity – including where that person has to carry out the activity for them in its entirety. The criteria refer to three types of support:

    Assistance 
    is support that requires the presence and physical intervention of another person i.e. actually doing some or all of the task in question. This specifically excludes non-physical intervention such as prompting or supervision which are defined below. To apply, this only needs to be required for part of the activity.

    Prompting 
    is support provided by reminding or encouraging an individual to undertake or complete a task but not physically helping them. To apply, this only needs to be required for part of the activity.

    Supervision 
    is a need for the continuous presence of another person to avoid a serious adverse event from occurring to the individual. There must be evidence that any risk would be likely to occur in the absence of such supervision. To apply, this must be required for the full duration of the activity.
    Unaided
    Within the assessment criteria, the ability to perform an activity ‘unaided’ means without either the use of aids or appliances or assistance/prompting/supervision from another person.

    I realise this is a lot of information to take in, so please do let us know if there's anything you're unsure about. 

    I think the main thing to take away is that it's based on how you are the majority of the time, rather than how you are on your worst or best days. Does that make sense? 

    And even then, you should consider whether you can walk this distance safely, in a timely fashion, and so on.

  • Cartini
    Cartini Online Community Member Posts: 1,107 Trailblazing
    edited September 2022
    I am unsure how to measure the distance I walk aided before stopping.

    On the form it is just a tick box but do I need to state exactly how far on a bad day, a good day or on average. It all depends on so many factors on any given day - my pain levels, balance issue, the surface etc.

    At the assessment will they ask me to walk and measure the time it takes and the distance covered before stopping etc

    Confused.
    I didn`t have an assessment, so I can`t say if you will be asked that.
    What I did concentrate on, and included in my application, was how walking affected me. I used Google Earth to measure a return walk to a corner shop 79m away from my house:
    I described at what distance I started to feel pain.
    I described where I had to stop and how I stopped (sit / lean against something).  This is an important one.  This could break your walk into two (or how many times you stop) if you stop for a few minutes rest.  You could argue that it`s not one walk, but several smaller ones.  I did in mine.
    I described how I was in the shop if there was a queue (I hold a shelf and lean on my left leg - that`s the least affected one (usually)).
    I mentioned how long it took me to walk.  The guide states a reasonable walking pace is 30m per minute. If yours is 60m per minute (or more), you take twice as long as an abled bodied person.
    I mentioned any other effects such as breathlessness (I get very breathless, even when I talk on a phone).
    I pointed out that I couldn`t do that journey repeatedly in a reasonable time because of breathlessness, lower spine and leg pain.
    One to cover is safety.  I`m on a corner, so when I cross over the road going to the shop, I can`t see any cars behind me.  You could argue that I could hear a car, but I have hearing noise damage so any electric car could be on top of me before I knew it.
    I have to say at this point that I`m not qualified to give advice, what I have put here is how I applied for PIP after many weeks of reading and many questions answered by Poppy12345 and Colcotti.
    Andy

  • JonnycJonny
    JonnycJonny Scope Member Posts: 252 Empowering
    Thank you so much for your input - much appreciated 
  • Flowersmith1
    Flowersmith1 Online Community Member Posts: 22 Connected
    edited September 2022
    Thank you for all that information.

    I have a better idea on how to deal with it - though it is still stressful
  • Cartini
    Cartini Online Community Member Posts: 1,107 Trailblazing
    Thank you so much for your input - much appreciated 
    No problem.  There`s a wealth of knowledge and experience on here :)

  • L_Volunteer
    L_Volunteer Community Volunteer Adviser, Scope Member Posts: 7,922 Championing
    I agree @Cartini :)