Warm Home Discount £150

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  • SteveE
    SteveE Online Community Member Posts: 89 Empowering
    flakie said:
    SteveE said:
    L_Volunteer said:

    Thanks for sharing that with us @SteveE. It sounds really positive that you seem to have received the £150.

    How are you feeling about it turning up as a credit in your energy account and the thought of it being some kind of proxy?

    Hopefully, everything is positive on your side. However, if you do want to talk about anything further please don’t hesitate to let us know  :)

    I guess if the powers-that-be have decided those on certain benefits need the cash to help keep 'em warm then as my lad receives a qualifying benefit then he deserves to keep warm too, whether or not he has an 'energy account'.  You will have worked out by now that our son (he's 51) lives at home with his parents and is kept warm through our household energy account which is in one of the parent's name.

    I assume that as their (DWP?) records already show one of his parents as dealing with our son's affairs at the Dept (and as such they already transfer the usual monies to that parent's bank account) it makes sense if they then used a similar route for the WHD £150. That's what I meant by 'proxy'.

    One thought though: if our household's energy account was not in the name of the DWP's named parent then they could not have paid the £150. The whole thing seems to be flawed and some folks, fully entitled to the £150, might well lose out. That would be scandalous and if true, something that an organisation (like Scope?) might lobby on behalf of any losers.

    I don't know if this helps others or not - I truly hope it does.  

    Thanks to others for contributing their experiences. It really helps to understand how these things affect other folks.

    Steve E




     
    Without being intrusive what qualifying benefit does your son receive? My son is nearly 40 and receives contribution based ESA and PIP and I didn’t think either of these were means tested.
    I think it best to refer folks to https://www.gov.uk/the-warm-home-discount-scheme/low-income which lists the qualifying means-tested benefits. I have no idea about the reasoning behind the criteria. Sorry.

    Steve E

  • littleacorn
    littleacorn Online Community Member Posts: 383 Empowering
    For me the question is how do they know who your energy provider is? Ive never told them.
  • flakie
    flakie Online Community Member Posts: 11 Connected
    My theory is that the award is attached to the person and thus the address of where they live. Would there not be a way of the powers that be being able to find out who provides the power to that property? Just making assumptions as I still don’t know how my son qualifies!
  • durhamjaide2001
    durhamjaide2001 Scope Member Posts: 13,778 Championing
    I think it's unfair that those who don't have bills to pay but have pip don't get anything 
  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,001 Championing
    durhamjaide2001 said:
    I think it's unfair that those who don't have bills to pay but have pip don't get anything 
    They've had a £150.
  • flakie
    flakie Online Community Member Posts: 11 Connected
    I have just had an email from Octopus saying they have received instruction to pay the £150 credit to the account. Still can’t fathom why!
  • dnny1990
    dnny1990 Online Community Member Posts: 14 Listener
    I have been Excluded from the Warm home Discount this year because my property has a C RATING for energy performance (EPC) (energy performance certificate) meaning that my property has a very good rating for energy efficiency HOWEVER!!! 

    I checked my certificate on GOV WEBSITE to find that it is currently 9 years old and expires next year meaning that the Government have Determined my eligibility for the Warm Home Discount based on a energy performance Certificate that is 9 years old!!! 

    They don't care that I suffer with disabilities or that my income is terribly low they don't care
     regardless of energy rating we are still paying sky high prices for our energy etc etc 

    My flat is certainly not a C RATING on energy performance maybe 9 years ago but not now 

    I am currently living and sleeping in my living room because the bedroom/hallway/bathroom will not maintain any heat the flat itself has poor insulation 


  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,001 Championing
    dnny1990 said:
    I checked my certificate on GOV WEBSITE to find that it is currently 9 years old and expires next year meaning that the Government have Determined my eligibility for the Warm Home Discount based on a energy performance Certificate that is 9 years old!!! 
    The energy performance of a property is unlikely to get worse.
  • dnny1990
    dnny1990 Online Community Member Posts: 14 Listener
    I would somewhat be inclined to agree with you on the basis that the certificates are only reviewed every 10 years 

    My certificate was reviewed 9 years ago as a C 

    Since 9 years ago this property has become significantly worse for wear 

    Holes in the ceiling gaps in the front door poor insulation the entire flat doesn't hold any heat in whatsoever  using over £35 per week just in gas alone god nose what will happen when the £66 electric is gone in 3months for example 

    Either way I suspect the government knew what they were up to with this new criteria banging on about giving us all £10 extra whilst inputting sneaky plans to make it virtually Impossible for many to be eligible 

    Our country has been bankrupted by them... 

    My heart goes out to those that are genuinely struggling more than myself I just want people to understand that I feel their pain right now because what is happening right now is disgusting ☹️🤕
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    Ada said:
    @poppy123456 is this the same as I get vouchers or nothing to do with me. It’s Just that I read all these  things and learn nothing as I get easily confused. 

    The vouchers are probably from the £400 energy grant. Thw warm home discount is different and it's £150 if you're eligible. If you live in England or Wales you don't need to apply, if entitled you will automatically receive it. Some details here. https://www.gov.uk/the-warm-home-discount-scheme

  • dnny1990
    dnny1990 Online Community Member Posts: 14 Listener
    I'm on full UC (LCWRA) and PIP living in a freezing cold Flat that doesn't maintain any heat whatsoever full of a chest infection for the past 7 weeks 

    But because of a 9 year old Energy performance certificate that says my flat is very energy efficient at the time of the assesment the Tories have excluded me from having the Warm Home Discount 

    You can check if you have a EPC on the GOV WEBSITE if you have a RATING of C or above regardless of the condition of your flat/house you will be excluded regardless of your income unless your claiming pension credit/savings or Housing benefit more or less the criteria has been made virtually impossible 
  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,001 Championing
    dnny1990 said.. regardless of the condition of your flat/house ..
    The government can only use the information available, they are not sending inspectors to every property.

    However I do think the  new criteria are unsatisfactory because they are not transparent.
  • dnny1990
    dnny1990 Online Community Member Posts: 14 Listener
    But case and point they didn't have to do this in the 1st place? It's cruel and unjust no fairness or consideration 

    Extra £10 on top of the £140 but with potentially millions more being Cut off from the Discount my guess is that the Gov are actually saving more from this new policy than the last even with the £10 increase

    What they have done is wrong can't expect any different from a prime minster who broke the Law and also caused a catastrophe as chancellor 

    Thankyou for your reply gonna put this to bed cause my brain is burnt out I appreciate your responses 
  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,001 Championing
    edited December 2022
    dnny1990 said:
    Extra £10 on top of the £140 but with potentially millions more being Cut off from the Discount my guess is that the Gov are actually saving more from this new policy than the last even with the £10 increase
    I am no defender of this government but the new WHD scheme is expected to reach more people than the old scheme (a net increase of about 460,000 more) and will cost more money.
    https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2022/03/warm-home-discount-reforms-/

  • dnny1990
    dnny1990 Online Community Member Posts: 14 Listener
    Expected??? But how many people are you hearing from recently who are being knocked back 

    Do you believe your government when they say they expect more 

    It's the same as saying switch to UC you could get more money YOU COULD? but did they end up getting more money? No they didn't in fact a lot of people unknowingly lost their tax credits etc 


    The government say they Expect 460.000 More to be eligible (EXPECT) but truth in the matter let's wait for the scheme to close and then we will request a FOI to see just how many were entitled in comparison to last year's scheme 

    And I'm guessing this new WHD scheme is gonna put further pressure on the NHS due to much less people being entitled to the Support 

    Since when did the government decide to go solely off EPCs when we all know a majority of EPC's are either expired or due to Expire 

    The government have admitted that a huge majority of homes in England are not insulation and are in poor conditions in comparison to over 10 years ago 


    They are going off EPCs that don't mean a thing today!!! HUNT THE??? can't say the last 4 letters cause I might get thrown off 
  • dnny1990
    dnny1990 Online Community Member Posts: 14 Listener
    Can you also explain in high definition as to how this scheme is gonna cost more money is love to hear what you think in regards to that! 

    They have taken PIP off the eligibility Criteria... Being on a low income on UC doesn't matter anymore because if your property is above a D on your energy certificate you ain't getting a Penny from the WHD unless your in receipt of Housing Benefit or income based legacy benefits which we all know a lot more people are on UC 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    edited December 2022
    dnny1990 said:
    Expected??? But how many people are you hearing from recently who are being knocked back 


    I don't think you can compare the "small" amount of people on a forum that have posted they don't qualify this year to the actual amount of people that have qualified.
    I do know there have been people that shouldn't have qualified but did.
    dnny1990 said:

    They have taken PIP off the eligibility Criteria... Being on a low income on UC doesn't matter anymore because if your property is above a D on your energy certificate you ain't getting a Penny from the WHD unless your in receipt of Housing Benefit or income based legacy benefits which we all know a lot more people are on UC 

    The energy rating on a property is not the criteria. What they do consider is size and age of a property.

  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,001 Championing
    You are correct that the actual outcome will not be known until later but I have provided information available that I could find whereas your post is full of assertions. You have said the changes are a cost saving measure but that is not the stated intention.

    Most properties will not see an energy rating decrease over time, (although some obviously will if they are not maintained resulting in serious dilapidation). The government can only use the available information. My property has never had an EPC done on it because a need has not arisen.

    Although I disagree with your posts and I do think the new scheme appears complex and lacks transparency. On the other hand many people who could have qualified under the old scheme missed out because they had to apply which many simply didn’t do and didn’t do so soon enough.

  • dnny1990
    dnny1990 Online Community Member Posts: 14 Listener
    You can disagree with me all you want mate 

    I'm standing up for my people standing up against the government's corruption 

    I'm questioning everything because humans are supposed to question everything 

    Any word this government  says cannot be Believed anymore without evidence 

    I know for a fact that a lot less people are gonna be eligible for the Scheme than before!!! 

    And as for your property not having a certificate because a need hasn't arisen that also isn't the point either 

    The real point is as follows 

    This Tory government have bankrupted our country LIED ABOUT BREXIT ETC broke the law left millions and millions suffering because of their policies etc 

    I'm coming off here can't be talking to dopes like yourself who go solely off what information the government post 

    **** this site full of rejects I'm off
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    There's really no need to be so rude! Maybe you should have a read of the community rules here. https://www.scope.org.uk/community-house-rules/ i reported your comment as a personal attack.

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