GP refusing to help with PIP
bluefox
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So I made the brave decision to ask the GP to help with PIP like they promised a few months ago and got the response of oh ask them mental health team for help.
I mean thanks a lot!
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Hiya @bluefox
usually DWP will contact gp themselves eventually if you do a mandatory reconsideration or appeal in my experience as it costs them too…..
But usually a gp summary is free and counts as medical evidence and should be available within 30 days of requesting it from them
but alternatively there are lots of other sources too that are recommended
potentially you can submit some of these?
please see this link for more info
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/help-with-your-claim/your-supporting-evidence/
best of luck with it all 🙂0 -
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Deppi said:
The OP should get specialist to write a letter, someone who knows them and has the capacity to make a comment other than just reporting hearsay or anecdotal information that came from the claimant themselves.Anecdotal evidence from the claimant theirself is one of the best evidence anyone can send. The only person that knows exactly how your conditions affect you is yourself.I achieved 2 paper based assessments last year for PIP based mostly on ancedotal evidence.1 -
So I have an issue. I can see in my medical records diagnoses from when I was 16 of depression and anxiety and different diagnoses but some of these haven’t been continually recorded. I really do need to ask why that hasn’t been the case, as it doesn’t really help me access better help either.0
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This reads as if you've misunderstood poppy's post. By anecdotal evidence poppy means descriptions by the claimant of the difficulties they have carry out the relevant activities. Poppy is definitely not supporting the use of GP letters.Deppi said:...Here we say anecdotal as a GP just type while you speak to them. This is not evidence of anything.
Which is clearly an incorrect inference easily challenged at MR or tribunal if needed.Deppi said:
You remind me my case they said I can mix with my 10 years old son, so i can mix with other people.2 -
So I’ve asked my mental health team to help and they’re willing to in any case. Whatever I decide to do with employment.But I could use anecdotal, GP summary, diagnosis letter. What else?0
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Deppi said:
apologies to @poppy123456 ypu are 100% correct. Also if it was not you who said GP letters are prompt letters, sorry, i may have confused that part. It's impossible to trace it, i should not said it not having the link. xNo worries. I couldn't agree more that evidence from a GP is potentially one of the worst anyone can send and as you correctly pointed out, i do advise this quite a lot here on the forum. Not only that, a GP often charges and i wouldn't pay for something that's likely to be of very little use.
Thanks calcotti, i appreciate this.calcotti said:
This reads as if you've misunderstood poppy's post. By anecdotal evidence poppy means descriptions by the claimant of the difficulties they have carry out the relevant activities. Poppy is definitely not supporting the use of GP letters.Deppi said:...Here we say anecdotal as a GP just type while you speak to them. This is not evidence of anything.1 -
bluefox said:So I have an issue. I can see in my medical records diagnoses from when I was 16 of depression and anxiety and different diagnoses but some of these haven’t been continually recorded. I really do need to ask why that hasn’t been the case, as it doesn’t really help me access better help either.I don't understand what this has to do with any future PIP review. They very very rarly contact any GP and when they do they will likely be sent a tick box form to fill in and return.You certainly don't need to send all of your medical records for any PIP review because that would be far too much information.3
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It sounds positive to hear that you reached out to your mental health team @bluefox. Well done on you, I appreciate that's not always the easiest.
Glad to hear they are willing to help you. Unfortunately, I don't know the answer to your question but I hope someone will be able to support you with this.
In the meantime, I am guessing it is any evidence that demonstrates how your disability/ies affect your everyday life and have for a minimum of 6 months.
Please don't hesitate to let us know if there's anything else we can do to support you. We are all here for you and listening to you.
Take care for now and we will look forward to, hopefully, hearing from you again soon
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That's not correct. For PIP you need to have had the difficulties/conditions for at least 3 months, not 6 months.L_Volunteer said:
In the meantime, I am guessing it is any evidence that demonstrates how your disability/ies affect your everyday life and have for a minimum of 6 months.
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If you were given an ADHD/autism diagnosis September/January - as the condition is lifelong anyway, would that be okay for the 3 month rule or not?poppy123456 said:
That's not correct. For PIP you need to have had the difficulties/conditions for at least 3 months, not 6 months.L_Volunteer said:
In the meantime, I am guessing it is any evidence that demonstrates how your disability/ies affect your everyday life and have for a minimum of 6 months.0 -
bluefox said:
If you were given an ADHD/autism diagnosis September/January - as the condition is lifelong anyway, would that be okay for the 3 month rule or not?poppy123456 said:
That's not correct. For PIP you need to have had the difficulties/conditions for at least 3 months, not 6 months.L_Volunteer said:
In the meantime, I am guessing it is any evidence that demonstrates how your disability/ies affect your everyday life and have for a minimum of 6 months.
Indeed it would because i'm sure you had all the symptoms long before your diagnosis because as we always advise you, it's not about a diagnosis.
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Very true and it seems the assessor was smart for ESA as my psychiatrist says I have issues with planning, organisation and starting, switching and finishing tasks….poppy123456 said:bluefox said:
If you were given an ADHD/autism diagnosis September/January - as the condition is lifelong anyway, would that be okay for the 3 month rule or not?poppy123456 said:
That's not correct. For PIP you need to have had the difficulties/conditions for at least 3 months, not 6 months.L_Volunteer said:
In the meantime, I am guessing it is any evidence that demonstrates how your disability/ies affect your everyday life and have for a minimum of 6 months.
Indeed it would because i'm sure you had all the symptoms long before your diagnosis because as we always advise you, it's not about a diagnosis.
the psychiatrist has helped me recently speak to a nurse. So I think that issue is resolved now.0 -
Psychiatrist won’t help either. I get it they work in a remote service online so they wouldn’t really know how I’m affected with daily living needs.What do I do?!0
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Send what relevant evidence you already have and also include a couple of real world incidents of exactly what happened the last time you attempted each descriptor that applies. Lots of advice on many other threads if you do a search.
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Is this normal, poppy?poppy123456 said:Send what relevant evidence you already have and also include a couple of real world incidents of exactly what happened the last time you attempted each descriptor that applies. Lots of advice on many other threads if you do a search.Can health professionals refuse. And does it really matter. I know I got it once but they could have just been being kind.0 -
bluefox said:Is this normal, poppy?Yes
No. As i asdvised.bluefox said:And does it really matter.poppy123456 said:Send what relevant evidence you already have and also include a couple of real world incidents of exactly what happened the last time you attempted each descriptor that applies. Lots of advice on many other threads if you do a search.
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But my friend said her Mum who isn’t as severe as me has managed to get the GP to write a letter AND she’s at the same GP as me.I don’t understand? I think my doctors must think I’m a hypochondriac or something.Awful!0
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