MR pip review reduction of points.

ITSALLLIES
ITSALLLIES Online Community Member Posts: 44 Connected
edited June 2023 in PIP, DLA, ADP and AA
My mr response is it too much information at mandatory  reconsideration stage? 17% or perfect to move straight to tribunal when I can hopefully get further evidence from physiotherapist.

How many pages would be too much, I do ramble a bit.
MINE CURRENTLY sits at 25  this includes 
5x crmr1 forms pages
1 x introduction
Responses and amended hp report statements additional info to hoc med & treatments  soc  fh and 12 moving around incl 4 pages from diary's detailing typically average to bad days. And 3 pages of statements.
Totalling 25 a4 pages some half pages... what seems like waayyyy too many. I've numbered and highlighted them with category for ease any simpleton should be able to gauge what's going on.
Thanks

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  • ITSALLLIES
    ITSALLLIES Online Community Member Posts: 44 Connected
    No comment from any of the pro benefits peeps?its all lies is what i can say from HCPs is this just a tactic from dwp to modify statements or change what's stated to the opposit ? Its fraud what they do conning people out of what they are entitled to. How and why is it so difficult to claim under reliable  critera.
    Any guidance would be helpful??
    Anyone ?
  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 4,155 Championing
    There's no limit on the number of sheets you can send, but I would agree that 25 pages sounds like far too much.  The useful evidence is likely to get lost in all that.

    If you've gone through the report picking out every lie, you can leave out those sheets for a start.  Just focus on the reasons that you feel you meet the criteria.  They know the reports are often inaccurate and won't be interested in that.
  • ITSALLLIES
    ITSALLLIES Online Community Member Posts: 44 Connected
    I've only highlighted some critical errors and contradictions from the assessors report on one page only its actually my shortest page I'd say in terns of quantity of text I could shrink this Down in size maybe reducing quantities of pages, I suppose I can get rid of some of the statements as there are 3 of them, 3 pages are dedicated to the functional history of the report pointing out quite the oppositit to what the asessor reported, shrinking the text to size 8 on word, I had to do this as it was 7 pages long with size 12 text. It covers all the descriptors and details problems I have. I've dedicated one full page to mobility as that where most of my problems start and end.
  • ITSALLLIES
    ITSALLLIES Online Community Member Posts: 44 Connected
    Any advice on text size, and how this will be affected when scanned and sent on to other relevant parties, would text size 8 be too small to read, or as it's scanned possibly reducing the quality of the print making it unreadable.
  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,001 Championing
    Appropriate text size partly depends on what text is used, however in general I wouldn’t go below 10.
  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 4,155 Championing
    Text size will also depend on which font you use.  Personally I find it hard to read anything smaller than 12pt in TNR.

    Changing the text size doesn't change the amount of time it takes to read though.  That's the real issue with so many pages.
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    25 pages is a lot of information. Less is very often more. It's fine to highlight some obvious errors in the report but then put it to one side and concentrate on where and why you think you should have scored those points.

    You should concentrate on your anecdotal evidence. A couple of real world incidents of exactly what happened the last time you attempted each descriptor that applies to you. Aim for at least half an A4 side of paper per descriptor. Giving detailed information such as where you were, what exactly happened, did anyone see it and what the consequences were.

    They don't need to know your life story because that's just too much information. Putting the font too small and you risk them not being able to read it. Yes, they scan them onto the system so if the font is too small to start with then it could become unreadable once it's scanned.

    The only ones that are automatically entitled to PIP are those claiming through end of life (12 months or less) otherwise, no one is automatically entitled to it.


  • ITSALLLIES
    ITSALLLIES Online Community Member Posts: 44 Connected
    Thanks for the input 👍 
  • ITSALLLIES
    ITSALLLIES Online Community Member Posts: 44 Connected
    Just one more thing the following statement is me.
    I belive this to be me except I don't use a walking stick. And my problems can vary from knee to knee often separate instances but always one leads to the other almost a constant loop, limping brings on hip pain, I often cannot stand up without a knee buckling intermittently but normally when i take my eye off the ball however does often supprise me, I experience locking, the knees always feel like giving way and do sometimes, when bending the knees, I also experience rolling I the ankles , changing direction my knees give out i often twist my back off balance and hurt this, ive fallen and hurt shoulder arms etc a few times the past year but had 100s of near misses.,  the lower back pain & stifness in its worst instances I cannot even move 1 meters( same applies to knees) without severe pain and feel weakness in the legs straightening up from seated position is very difficult and painful I always try to keep moving, it helps a little bit but it doesn't prevent, apparently i can fix this if I just continue taking medications 24/7 yet I'm plagued with stomach bowel problems from these and long term use. Also I had to reduce the opiates due to severe sleep apnea and experiencing 60+ apnea per hour, tiredness and I don't have cognitive problems either.  I apparently have fybromyalgia as well is laughable I told these muppets at the NHS that I injured many areas when I fell from a ladder but they failed in treatment and diagnosis. 
    They only other difference is the distances are slightly differing. If I'm not on pain meds I can detect that it's causing pain and stop for say 10 mins and may e do it again but alesser distance it reduces the more I try to push myself until yes you guessed it I can't move at all. I really think I need surgery to my injuries tbh! That's the most recent response of a physiotherapist I've recently seen, do I need it in writing off him to help support my claim. So I guess does Mr Y have any such differences in distance I can sprobably do 130 meters increasingly slower with quitr a bit discomfort of varying degress but really struggle to get back to my car. Once the problems kick in mainly very stiff and sore and difficult to bear any weight on one side or the other overuse becomes a problem normally pretty quickly.
    • 2.2.26 Mr Y is able to stand and move with a walking stick. He can walk up to 60 metres at a slightly slowed pace with some discomfort. After this distance he starts to experience increasing hip pain. He can continue to walk, but his pace slows even further and after 100 metres he needs to stop and rest. This takes a lot out of him and for a few hours after, he is unable to go more than a few steps without experiencing further severe hip pain. It takes Mr Y between 1 and 2 minutes to walk 60 metres the first time.

    I may just use what I've written above the dwp guidelines of Mr y

    Thanks again hopefully I don't need to respond further and maybe this will help others if it's even helpful to me.
  • ITSALLLIES
    ITSALLLIES Online Community Member Posts: 44 Connected
    Well at least I can get to 30 meters more than Mr y lol 😆 
  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 4,155 Championing
    Are you hoping for any points on the 'journey planning' descriptor?  If not, there's no point chasing 4 points on Moving around.  That won't give you any Mobility award.

    You need at least 8 points across those two descriptors for standard Mobility.
  • ITSALLLIES
    ITSALLLIES Online Community Member Posts: 44 Connected
    They reduced mobility points down fro. 10 to 4 but  hp fail to mention that it's painful all the time and worsens with use.... fails to mention in have falls and am at risk in section 12, fails to mention knees become stiff with use and can feels like locking, fails to mention inability to Weight bear because there's cartlidge stuck in the joint. Fails to mention how much they ache with repeated use, thinks that sitting down in a car is not resting from standing and I didn't sound like I was in pain in the Informal observations lol 😕, this was a nurse practitioner. Many things said during the call are not in the notes yet I said them maybe at the wrong time like. Mentions I walk slowly so I'm trying to define this for them.
  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 4,155 Championing
    They reduced mobility points down fro. 10 to 4 but  hp fail to mention that it's painful all the time and worsens with use.... fails to mention in have falls and am at risk in section 12, fails to mention knees become stiff with use and can feels like locking, fails to mention inability to Weight bear because there's cartlidge stuck in the joint. Fails to mention how much they ache with repeated use, thinks that sitting down in a car is not resting from standing and I didn't sound like I was in pain in the Informal observations lol 😕, this was a nurse practitioner. Many things said during the call are not in the notes yet I said them maybe at the wrong time like. Mentions I walk slowly so I'm trying to define this for them.
    Ah, ok, I understand now.   

    That statement does make it look like you can walk between 50-200 metres, which is 4 points.  I don't think assessor will change the award based on the statement above.  If anything, the distances within the Mr Y quote are also confirming that 50-200 metre distance.

    It is quite wordy, but doesn't show any real evidence of distances or times based on real life scenarios. Words like 'often' also don't give any real indication of frequency.  Is it every day?  2 or 3 times a week? Once a month?  Can you give specific scenarios such as walking to a post office, or across a supermarket car park or a pleasure walk to a green space for example.  That's really the sort of thing they need to see.