The treasury suggesting cuts to the benefit system may be used to fund tax cuts in time

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  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    edited October 2023
    For some people therapy can be a good thing. For my daughter though, it would be the complete opposite and total waste of time. Through all her life, i've always been her voice and always spoken on her behalf with appointments. The only exception to this was her ASD assessment and with her part she had no option but to be without me.

    As for starting another thread about this, i can't say i agree with that because too many threads on the same subject is way too confusing. My opinion is to keep it all in one place. People are alrady panicking, why make it worse for them...
  • apple85
    apple85 Online Community Member Posts: 893 Championing
    poppy123456 said:
    For some people therapy can be a good thing. For my daughter though, it would be the complete opposite and total waste of time. Through all her life, i've always been her voice and always spoken on her behalf with appointments. The only exception to this was her ASD assessment and with her part she had no option but to be without me.

    As for starting another thread about this, i can't say i agree with that because too many threads on the same subject is way too confusing. My opinion is to keep it all in one place. People are alrady panicking, why make it worse for them...
    Not denying that - therapy of all varieties can be useful for many people (presuming they’ve had correct training.

    my opinion is very very biased which is why I won’t elaborate further

    in regard to your other comment - I agree which is partly why I wanted to start a more open titled thread which could incorporate everything and keep it in one place
    (This threads title is a bit narrow in meaning)

    perhaps the solution is to start the new thread with an opening post tonight as I mentioned but request scope mods to merge this thread with that new more open titled thread (and merge other threads that pop up in the future that can be incorporated under an umbrella thread)
    just need to think of a clear explanatory heading that doesn’t provoke panic  
  • apple85
    apple85 Online Community Member Posts: 893 Championing
    edited October 2023


    Also if anyone has access to Twitter I’d recommending checking out @Shrink_at_Large who imo is also level headed on this subject
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    apple85 said:
    poppy123456 said:
    For some people therapy can be a good thing. For my daughter though, it would be the complete opposite and total waste of time. Through all her life, i've always been her voice and always spoken on her behalf with appointments. The only exception to this was her ASD assessment and with her part she had no option but to be without me.

    As for starting another thread about this, i can't say i agree with that because too many threads on the same subject is way too confusing. My opinion is to keep it all in one place. People are alrady panicking, why make it worse for them...


    perhaps the solution is to start the new thread with an opening post tonight as I mentioned but request scope mods to merge this thread with that new more open titled thread (and merge other threads that pop up in the future that can be incorporated under an umbrella thread)
    just need to think of a clear explanatory heading that doesn’t provoke panic  

    Or you can ask them to change the title of this one and they will do that for you.
  • apple85
    apple85 Online Community Member Posts: 893 Championing
    I did think of that Poppy

    but I’d quite like to write a more open intro post as my thread that I started on the reforms got really unpleasant and was closed by the mods - I think in my head I want another chance to set the tone to those clicking anew and reading from the start and discourage some things from the get go. (And then have people like yourself offer even better ways to word things 🫶)

    it’s a little rigid form of thinking I know
  • apple85
    apple85 Online Community Member Posts: 893 Championing




    I got to say I really didn’t want to believe what others had been saying about Kendall (and I will wait to hear what she has to say on the subject at the labour conference next week in case this is bad wording and also if more details are offered) but I can’t gasp at many positives apart from it’s still a little too vague to 100% write her off.

    Guess there’s a possibility Starmer could have another mini shuffle the election (don’t really know what to say)
  • 2oldcodgers
    2oldcodgers Posts: 739 Connected
    Looking first at older workers, he highlights the Government's mid-life MOT which is helping to get older workers back into the workplace if they want to return to work after retirement.

    Yes but 'if' they want to get back into work.
    I retired officially on pension at 60 along with many of my friends and colleagues. Whilst yes I jumped straight into voluntary work - that was my choice.
    At the time you could claim Pension Credit if your wife was 60. As I am 5 years younger than she is we were able to claim that benefit when I was 55. I waited those next 5 years to maximise my pension and claimed the benefit in 2009. 
    Nothing on this earth would have made me work any longer and thankful that there were no conditions of looking for work with a Pension Credit award.
    Personally I agree that if anybody of that age or similar is able to live on their pension(s) , income from capital/investments and benefits they should do so. I did and still do and certainly don't look back feeling any guilt about calling it a day when I was 60. 
  • Jimm_Alumni
    Jimm_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 5,717 Championing
    edited October 2023
    @apple85

    I will say, just remember to be careful of your wording, I know you mentioned elsewhere that you try to be. An example here where I think your wording went a bit far was when you said "So they are either going to force you to take prescribed drugs (which we all know can be a minefield of side effects) or to do see some type of therapist (I presume that’s the implication - which doesn’t work for everyone and can make things a lot worse if it’s the wrong match up)".

    While I understand the logic, 'the government is saying take what this doctor has recommended you or you will lose your benefits' will mean people will feel forced to possibly take treatments they don't want. The word "forced" can also mean something worse and much more scary. Just keep in mind that our community does have members who have anxiety issues and conditions and can often find the most fearful way to read a sentence!

    I appreciate you keeping the community up to date though, it is something that affects us all and we should be wary of what is being said by those in power. Just do what you're already doing, check your sources and mindful of wording!
  • apple85
    apple85 Online Community Member Posts: 893 Championing
    @Jimm_Scope

    reading both your post here and on the new thread I create (and my email that seems to have a different (deleted?) post on it) I agree that it would be a good idea to let this thread sink and point people in the direction of the umbrella thread.

    with this in mind this will in theory be my last post to this thread (I’d like to draw some lines in this thread so I can go into the umbrella thread 100% fresh and less likely to make wording errors). I’d like to hear your opinion on this post and if we’re on the page could you close this thread to allow it to sink?

    what I may start doing tonight is repost on the new umbrella thread my old posts that is just copy/pasting news/direct quotes from mp’s and reputable journalists (though I may omit my own personal comments I attached to those posts (certainly the comment I made to the Robert Peston tweet) - in terms of moving over my posts that consists solely of my own opinions I’m not sure if I’ll repost those or not (if a moderator could let me know if any of my opinion posts actually say something that will be helpful to others I may repost those posts on the umbrella thread)

    Moving on to the comments in your last post:

    I really thought I was getting better at wording myself better but in real life I’m very blunt and honest to those who know me and the self editing can be so exhausting (though sometimes necessary)

    as the creator of the new umbrella thread perhaps I should post my own personal opinions after I’ve posted a piece of news/quotes until others have commented (and then respond)?

    in terms of the choice of word (‘forced’ in this case), I will put my hands up and say I did just type the first word that popped up. Thinking about what word I could have used instead ‘pressured’ is one but that may be just as bad. “Encouraged” or “come to your own conclusions” in quotation marks are possible alternatives - but if I’m being frank I think many may be coming to dire conclusions before I even post any of my own opinions (which is why on the umbrella thread I’ll be doing my best to post direct quotes and sources where I can)

    id also note that after I posted the ‘forced’ comment I did write a new post once I had time to apply some ‘common sense’ - I don’t know if that was helpful or not to anyone who did get concerned over my first post on the subject
  • apple85
    apple85 Online Community Member Posts: 893 Championing
    Lastly the link to the new umbrella thread is:

    https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/110575/welfare-benefits-news-possible-changes-constructive-discussion-an-ongoing-thread#latest

    My plan is to start reposting my direct source/quote posts onto the new thread later tonight but that may be subject to change

    (feel free to repost your old comments from this thread onto the new one - especially if you think it may be helpful for another member to read)


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