Should my daughter apply for pip?
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Hi all . I'm looking for some advice my 19 year old daughter has struggled with depression since she was 11 it began with her pulling her eyelashes out she had extremely bad social anxiety this continues now every day is a mental struggle for her she will not leave the house without someone woth her she will not go on public transport without someone with her even appointments to the job centre I had to go when she knows she's has to go out she will stress about it for days before to the point it makes her physically sick she gets overwhelmed so easy which causes her to completely shut down she struggles with foods onky will eat certain foods due to not liking textures she struggles to make food for her self as she gets overwhelmed she's got worse the opast few years she's currently awaiting an autism and adhd assessment as her doctor thinks she definitely shows signs as do we she's currently on depressin and anxiety medication thus is her second try on thus medication as last time it was extremely hard to get he rto take it I know have to bring her medication to her to make sure she does she has no social luge whatsoever ever her mental health is currently controlling her life . I'm not sure if she would be entitled to pip as her problems are all mental and not physical and she does t have much paper wv9 other than her perscription she's trying g to get some therapy but there's not much chance atm .can anyone give me any advice or has anyone been in a similar situation
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Only having mental health conditions doesn’t mean she had less chance of being entitled to PIP. In my opinion there’s more descriptors that can apply to those with mental health than there are with physical conditions.
I can’t tell you whether she could score enough points needed for an award because I don’t know exactly how here conditions affect her. It’s not awarded based on any diagnosis.This link will help you have a little more understanding of the descriptors and what they mean. I’d advise you to spend a little time to read through it before deciding to apply.1 -
Seriously?poppy123456 said:Only having mental health conditions doesn’t mean she had less chance of being entitled to PIP. In my opinion there’s more descriptors that can apply to those with mental health than there are with physical conditions.
I have always thought the opposite.
Yes for DLA I would agree.
So much so that I only concentrated on my physical problems when claiming the move to PIP. As far as I remember PIP is all about provability with evidence that fits the descriptors. For mental health issues it would have been my word against the DWP/ATOS. I had no up to date evidence from specialists as I disengaged with the mental health system back in 2000 (I had enough of pills, being locked up under section, spending endless days with others at the Mental Health Day Service unit as well as having my mind being invaded by a queue of 'professionals').
As it was all of my points and award was based entirely on the physical aspects of me.
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@2oldcodgers yes, I’m serious!!! What you’ve said here suggests to me that you don’t have as much understanding of the descriptors as you think you do.You don’t need medical evidence for any conditions for a successful PIP award either. When I claimed for my daughter in 2017 she didn’t have a diagnosis at all and I had no evidence. It was all based on what was written in the form. She was awarded Enhanced for both parts.Just because you have no evidence, it doesn’t mean you should leave out information.1
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Thankyou for your reply we are gonna apply tomorrow. She.is on uc atm her work coach has been great and turned off her commitments untill Jan as she could see it was causing her overwhelming distress even phones calld she's struggles with even though she got a little help in the last couple of years at secondary school she should have had help alot sooner all the same theough primary school I tried to get help but always gpt back that she can't have autism of adhd as she's too well behaved because if the lack of support in school it ended up with her pulling her eyelashes and eyebrows out Trichotillomani she she had to deal with starting secondary school with no eyelashes or eyebrows which made her anxiety worse .I think 15 years ago alot less was known about metal health conditions girls mask untill they cannot anymore hopefully now she will start being listened too I'm certain she has afrid too now I know more about it we always just assumed she was a extremely picky eater .kind of made me feel abit like I failed her 😪0
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Not true. I do understand the descriptors but certainly didn't want to end up with an argument with the DWP/Tribunal over how my mental health causes me so many issues and then with them being impossible to prove.poppy123456 said:@2oldcodgers yes, I’m serious!!! What you’ve said here suggests to me that you don’t have as much understanding of the descriptors as you think you do.You don’t need medical evidence for any conditions for a successful PIP award either. When I claimed for my daughter in 2017 she didn’t have a diagnosis at all and I had no evidence. It was all based on what was written in the form. She was awarded Enhanced for both parts.Just because you have no evidence, it doesn’t mean you should leave out information.
If I was to take your comments as gospel, a good story line based on fact and fiction with no evidence to prove/disprove either way would/should result in a decent PIP award?
I always question myself when completing forms like the PIP1. Read what I have written then try to think as a DWP decision maker, would I believe everything that is said but nothing can be proven. It's no wonder that the number of PIP applications have soared over the past year or so provided that you can write a good enough and believable story line - not saying that is what you did though.
I would also add that my many physical and mental issues were never shown on the GP's sick notes when I claimed sickness benefit. Only one was shown. Hence when I completed the ESA50 I only entered what was shown on the sicknote and explained in detail the effects of that condition and at the same time providing comprehensive proof of both the condition as well as the symptoms. I had no problem in passing the assessment into the Support Group.
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As I have already said I am amazed that the DWP are issuing PIP awards based purely onwoodbine said:Absolutely agree with Poppy, if you have any evidence can be useful but its not essential most of mine is a waste of time as it 20 years old, a well completed application is much more useful than reams of evidence that they are unlikely to read.
a well written form/story line based on fact and fiction.
Take that one step further providing the the applicant has done their research into the effects of a particular condition and is well able to write a believable story based entirely on a fictional health issue they will possibly get a good PIP award?
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Isn't that completely irrelevant now? You keep saying you already have Enhanced for both parts. Whatever you do, you can't have a higher award.2oldcodgers said:poppy123456 said:@2oldcodgers yes, I’m serious!!! What you’ve said here suggests to me that you don’t have as much understanding of the descriptors as you think you do.You don’t need medical evidence for any conditions for a successful PIP award either. When I claimed for my daughter in 2017 she didn’t have a diagnosis at all and I had no evidence. It was all based on what was written in the form. She was awarded Enhanced for both parts.Just because you have no evidence, it doesn’t mean you should leave out information.
If I was to take your comments as gospel, a good story line based on fact and fiction with no evidence to prove/disprove either way would/should result in a decent PIP award?
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2oldcodgers said:
As I have already said I am amazed that the DWP are issuing PIP awards based purely onwoodbine said:Absolutely agree with Poppy, if you have any evidence can be useful but its not essential most of mine is a waste of time as it 20 years old, a well completed application is much more useful than reams of evidence that they are unlikely to read.
a well written form/story line based on fact and fiction.
When i fill out any forms, whether it's PIP or the WCA they are factual and not fiction!!
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Scottish0177 said:I’m not sure, the PIP form asks for details of GP or medical professional and asks you to list your condition, medication and treatment.Yes, they do but it's very very rare that they contact anyone and claimants should assume they do. In 10 years of claiming PIP, they have never ever contacted anyone.Scottish0177 said:
surely anyone applying for PIP must have an evidenced condition otherwise anyone could just fill in the form and lie and get money, or am I missing something.
No, not at all. As advised earlier in the thread, you don't need medical evidence to be successfully awarded PIP. Your real world examples are the best way to fill out any form, whether it's PIP/DLA/ADP or the work capability assessment forms.Scottish0177 said:
surely anyone applying for PIP must have an evidenced condition otherwise anyone could just fill in the form and lie and get money, or am I missing something.
Very few people claim PIP fraudulently. Real world examples are factual evidence and it's things that happen to the claimant. My last 4 PIP review forms were filled out with those real world examples, for myself and daughter.Since 2019 i've filled in 4 PIP review forms for myself and daughter. The one in 2019 for my daughter i did send medical evidence because by that time she did have an ASD diagnosis, learning disability and Social Anxiety. I sent the assessment reports from the first 2 diagnosis. I also included real world examples. She had a paper based assessment.In 2021 i filled mine and daughters review forms in and send no medical evidence for my daughter. For myself i sent details of my repeat medications and a very short OT assessment report. Real world examples were used for the whole of both forms. I had 2 paper based assessments for each claim.My daughters first time claim i didn't send any evidence because i didn't have any. She was awarded Enhanced for both parts, with a home assessment.I've just returned my review form using mostly real world examples but with a new OT assessment report. I'm now waiting to see what happens.As you can see the majority of my claims are mostly real world examples.Scottish0177 said:
A well completed application just means you are good at completing a well completed application, nothing more. knowing what the descriptors are and thinking about how you can score max points isn’t difficult as it’s all online if you Google. Without evidence how do they know you are telling the truth.
Yes, indeed but many people panick when filling out the forms and they just do not know what information to give. Perfectly normal to be this way because many people just manage the best way they always have and don't give a 2nd thought to how much they really do struggle with everyday life. The most common reason for refusal is poorly completed claim forms.Scottish0177 said:
I would consider any PIP application being granted without medical evidence being sought as a failure in the system and leaves the system vulnerable to abuse.
just my thoughts and stand to be corrected.
Umm no, absolutely not! Just because a claimant didn't send any medical evidence is doesn't mean they are not entitled to PIP!0 -
@Scottish0177 again, you are wrong, you do not need medical evidence to be successfully awarded PIP. As i also advised, it's very very rare for them to contact anyone. I will say no more now and will quietly walk away.
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Scottish0177 said:poppy123456 said:@Scottish0177 again, you are wrong, you do not need medical evidence to be successfully awarded PIP. As i also advised, it's very very rare for them to contact anyone. I will say no more now and will quietly walk away.
And for the sake of peace, I will walk away from this forum as your attitude towards someone with a different opinion to yourself is shocking, and it’s not the first time I have read your blunt replies to others and thought that’s not right.I'm sorry that you think my replies are blunt but i can assure you they are not. I'm a more straight to the point type of person and i care alot about others and helping them claim the benefits they maybe entitled to. There's not a single bad bone in my body. If there was then i certainly wouldn't be spending a lot of my free time here, every single day trying to help many many thousands of people. Even more so when i have many health conditions myself, yet i still put other people before myself.I agree that everyone is entitled to their opinion but to say that medical evidence is needed for a PIP claim is wrong because it's not needed. There's many people that don't visit GP's, Doctors or hospitals and have no medical evidence at all but claim PIP successfully.2 -
There was only 1 home assessment (not assessments) which was in 2017, the rest were paper based, which means no assessment was needed at all.Scottish0177 said:Thanks, and I hope you continue to help people.
I think you have completely misinterpreted what I have said, I have never said that medical evidence is needed just that in my opinion it should be.
Hopefully this will get back on track and the original postee will get the information they need.
Have a great Christmas
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Thanks. Even so, i still disagree with your thoughts. I can't tell you the amount of members we've had here posting threads saying they don't have any medical evidence. Many of them go onto be awarded successfully. We also have members that send medical evidence but are still refused. The most important part of any claim is the form you fill in.Have a great Christmas too!1 -
woodbine said:
I'm sorry but Poppy's attitude is not shocking she has far more patience sometimes than I have, I hope you think again and stay with the forum.Scottish0177 said:
I am well aware that you don’t need medical evidence, but my point if I’m allowed to have one is that I believe that you should have to prove that you do indeed have a medical condition that causes you problems on a daily basis. If you can prove that then fine, I hope you get everything you are entitled too….but if you can’t then why should an assessor looking at your application just take your word for it? Because they don’t know you or your moral standards in being truthful.poppy123456 said:@Scottish0177 again, you are wrong, you do not need medical evidence to be successfully awarded PIP. As i also advised, it's very very rare for them to contact anyone. I will say no more now and will quietly walk away.
I would presume for example that anyone having daily difficulties would already be seeking clarification or medical help to help figure out why…..ie.if I couldn’t walk 200 metres without having to stop because I’m breathless I would be going to my GP and asking what’s up, regardless of whether I put that on my application or not.
And for the sake of peace, I will walk away from this forum as your attitude towards someone with a different opinion to yourself is shocking, and it’s not the first time I have read your blunt replies to others and thought that’s not right.
If any moderators monitoring this then can you delete my account please.
Too those that encourage free speech, keep it up..the forum is great and a lifeline to those who seek clarification on issues.
Thank you woodbine, i really appreciate that!
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If you decide not to delete your account and come back for advice you will probably find Poppy here giving good advice and being polite and respectful. It's not fair to have a go at her and I've noticed it's starting to become a bit of a trend with some users.Scottish0177 said:
I am well aware that you don’t need medical evidence, but my point if I’m allowed to have one is that I believe that you should have to prove that you do indeed have a medical condition that causes you problems on a daily basis. If you can prove that then fine, I hope you get everything you are entitled too….but if you can’t then why should an assessor looking at your application just take your word for it? Because they don’t know you or your moral standards in being truthful.poppy123456 said:@Scottish0177 again, you are wrong, you do not need medical evidence to be successfully awarded PIP. As i also advised, it's very very rare for them to contact anyone. I will say no more now and will quietly walk away.
I would presume for example that anyone having daily difficulties would already be seeking clarification or medical help to help figure out why…..ie.if I couldn’t walk 200 metres without having to stop because I’m breathless I would be going to my GP and asking what’s up, regardless of whether I put that on my application or not.
And for the sake of peace, I will walk away from this forum as your attitude towards someone with a different opinion to yourself is shocking, and it’s not the first time I have read your blunt replies to others and thought that’s not right.
If any moderators monitoring this then can you delete my account please.
Too those that encourage free speech, keep it up..the forum is great and a lifeline to those who seek clarification on issues.
It's not fair on Poppy and it's not fair on other users who need advice while Poppy gets distracted with nonsense again and again.1 -
I agree and I thought her name is Poppy not punchbag?woodbine said:
I'm sorry but Poppy's attitude is not shocking she has far more patience sometimes than I have, I hope you think again and stay with the forum.Scottish0177 said:
I am well aware that you don’t need medical evidence, but my point if I’m allowed to have one is that I believe that you should have to prove that you do indeed have a medical condition that causes you problems on a daily basis. If you can prove that then fine, I hope you get everything you are entitled too….but if you can’t then why should an assessor looking at your application just take your word for it? Because they don’t know you or your moral standards in being truthful.poppy123456 said:@Scottish0177 again, you are wrong, you do not need medical evidence to be successfully awarded PIP. As i also advised, it's very very rare for them to contact anyone. I will say no more now and will quietly walk away.
I would presume for example that anyone having daily difficulties would already be seeking clarification or medical help to help figure out why…..ie.if I couldn’t walk 200 metres without having to stop because I’m breathless I would be going to my GP and asking what’s up, regardless of whether I put that on my application or not.
And for the sake of peace, I will walk away from this forum as your attitude towards someone with a different opinion to yourself is shocking, and it’s not the first time I have read your blunt replies to others and thought that’s not right.
If any moderators monitoring this then can you delete my account please.
Too those that encourage free speech, keep it up..the forum is great and a lifeline to those who seek clarification on issues.1 -
@Scottish0177 yes, the forms ask for information about your conditions, treatment, medication ect ect but as i keep advising, they very very rarely contact anyone for any evidence, or to verify anything about anyones conditions. If someone has a diagnosis, this is often not in question.I never said you weren't entitled to your opinion, i just think it's wrong and it does concern me if someone reads that information they will think they can't claim PIP because they have no medical evidence.I'm sorry to see you leave because this and hope you will change your mind. If you don't then you can email the team to ask them to delete your account and they will do that for you. community@scope.org.uk1
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honestjon said:If you decide not to delete your account and come back for advice you will probably find Poppy here giving good advice and being polite and respectful. It's not fair to have a go at her and I've noticed it's starting to become a bit of a trend with some users.
It's not fair on Poppy and it's not fair on other users who need advice while Poppy gets distracted with nonsense again and again.
Thank you, i appreciate that.
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I agree and I thought her name is Poppy not punchbag?woodbine said:
I'm sorry but Poppy's attitude is not shocking she has far more patience sometimes than I have, I hope you think again and stay with the forum.Scottish0177 said:
I am well aware that you don’t need medical evidence, but my point if I’m allowed to have one is that I believe that you should have to prove that you do indeed have a medical condition that causes you problems on a daily basis. If you can prove that then fine, I hope you get everything you are entitled too….but if you can’t then why should an assessor looking at your application just take your word for it? Because they don’t know you or your moral standards in being truthful.poppy123456 said:@Scottish0177 again, you are wrong, you do not need medical evidence to be successfully awarded PIP. As i also advised, it's very very rare for them to contact anyone. I will say no more now and will quietly walk away.
I would presume for example that anyone having daily difficulties would already be seeking clarification or medical help to help figure out why…..ie.if I couldn’t walk 200 metres without having to stop because I’m breathless I would be going to my GP and asking what’s up, regardless of whether I put that on my application or not.
And for the sake of peace, I will walk away from this forum as your attitude towards someone with a different opinion to yourself is shocking, and it’s not the first time I have read your blunt replies to others and thought that’s not right.
If any moderators monitoring this then can you delete my account please.
Too those that encourage free speech, keep it up..the forum is great and a lifeline to those who seek clarification on issues.1 -
Hello @Scottish0177
I am so sorry you want to delete your account. Give us an email on community@scope.org.uk and we can sort it further.1
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