About the PM's (Sunak's) speech: Stop demonising us
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That might be a little strong. However, we are continually ignored about out opinions. Has anyone else noticed that even at election time disabled are not mentioned to receive help? It's the same during the budget. We are invisible but also voters.3
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ice24 said:That might be a little strong. However, we are continually ignored about out opinions. Has anyone else noticed that even at election time disabled are not mentioned to receive help? It's the same during the budget. We are invisible but also voters.0
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We are invisible unless they decide to punish us for being disabled. Since Covid things have become worse and those disabled people who don't have long covid ate in the way. Are we supposed to make way for new disabled people?1
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It does appear to be going ahead regardless of the so called 'consultation' of the green paper proposals.
They have already paid millions to outside contractors to 'assess claimants' instead of our gp's.
Very worrying times indeed and as far as I am aware Labour have not opposed it.2 -
Hi all
I have received a reply from my MP, ( have to say she is a nice person who has helped me in the past ) I have forwarded the letter to SCOPE to edit any bits that need editing and have said they can post it if they would like to.
It’s way too long to type out for me. Reading the reply it doesn’t seem to address the issues I raised eg vouchers etc. I can only hope that Labour are playing their cards close to their chests but we will see in the not too distant future. I do intend to keep up correspondence with her as things progress. Anyway thought I would just update re the reply. Take care everyone x3 -
Wow, this thread has been busy since I last logged in! Thank you all for your thoughtful comments.
I'll pass your feedback upwards @Meg24 @esther71
You can complete the online form, or email consultation.modernisingsupport@DWP.GOV.UK if you'd like to respond by email.Andi66 said:I have just ploughed though that green paper. Good grief.
I have to fill it out, do I email it. What evidence do you put .
My understanding is that you don't have to answer every question, so you can just focus on the ones that are most relevant to you. And that you can talk about your own personal experiences, and how you'd be affected.0 -
@Tori_Scope hi hope you are well. Any idea yet if a decision has been made to upload my MP response letter to the forum please ? Thank you ☺️0
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We forward MP replies to our public affairs team, who manage Scope's relationships with MPs @mrsBB. They won't post it on the forum, but they may follow up with your MP if they'd like to talk to them about anything they've mentioned further. Does that answer your question?
Thanks so much for sharing it with us!
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Hi Tori, thank you for the reply. When I posted that I had received a reply on the forum I know some members were keen to read it. I was a little worried though about making it public so that’s why I did ask first re posting it. Yes I am happy it’s been sent to the relevant department. Thanks Tori ☺️1
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66Mustang said:Feel free to remove it if you deem it inappropriate but I came across this poster while reading about something unrelated
Won't say where it's from will just say it was published to promote a certain (now defunct) prominent political party's agenda and thought it resembles the attitude of some modern politicians with the desire to turn working people against people who can't work!!!
A rough translation, "60000 is what this hereditarily ill patient will cost the community for life / fellow citizen that is your money too"
On the contrary, I'd argue it's disturbingly poignant.
The war continues, in a more insipid form. The war against us, because it is a war. We're suffering and dying out here, and they don't care.
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This in addition to the other comment today:
Dear Stephen Doughty MP,I have again received the IN-CORRECT documents from DWP and PIP and have shown the two letters sent to me under the FOI to get my new Vehicle. I want to go back to the Upper Tribunal as this has become a joke, especially since the new Green Paper which you know I have an input to the White Paper sent by the Labour Party to Change the attitude of Assessment under the new Social Care Act.So far in the last week 4 people that had their benefits given back at the correct rates have now been removed and are now being paid Standard Rate Care only.? Is this what they call support? I have repeatedly asked for a meeting, and not received a reply from either the DWP or you, so I have asked at a meeting I had, to invite BOTH Vaughan Gethin, New First Minister for Wales, and one of our Legal Team to a meeting next month around the 5th May 2024 at the Unite Head Office.This is to discuss other issues as well but have also sent Vaughan a copy of the rebuttal of the Green Paper and the actual COPY of the White Paper sent to Parliament last year from the Union, and it bears no resemblance to the Paper presented or the Green Paper on How to fix the System.I have now reaffiliated my membership to the Labour Party and with or without your help I can send my paperwork directly to Welsh Labour and so do not have to wait for either Unite to raise issues that are affecting us all including the Disability issues surrounding the assessment process, the ability for claimants to get a correct assessment first time and the abilities and limitations that surround the Decision Maker's powers to over-write Documents on headed paper from people registered on the appropriate Medical Register, and who are governed by the Hypothacratic Oath. This all comes down to accountability, and ownership of the documents that are being written about us and why we are having to ask for a copy of the report written by outsourced companies that affect the payments given to the Claimant,in their part, but as a PATIENT from the people they see. Again accountability and the need to see why the Tribunal Service, are not adhering to their own rules and allowing the DWP and Secretary of State leeway, and have to get the claimant to ask for compensation and also that the Alterations to the documents that require a Back payment MUST BE SHOWN ON A SEPRATE CALCULATION as all they are doing is paying the back payment we should have had if the claim was assessed correctly first.To log and keep on a file in our Computers, the name of the assessor, a copy of the original report, a copy of the company charter, a copy of the remedy offered to the claimant, the working out sheet, where there is no more input from the decision maker, other than what went wrong and the amendment number on the top of the Sheet that will be used should further inquiries be needed at a future date like a Certificate of Entitlement to get a New Mobility Vehicle.We all know how the system is supposed to work,. why are we so afraid to enforce it. All the Disabled section has asked for is an assessment to be carried out if necessary by a qualified person. And that as we know follow the 10 points in the charter for assessment. These are fundamental requests that are already in the system. If followed these assessments would have been brought back under the NHS as it is the NHS and Medical Board that issue these companies I D to practice, so its not as though we don't have the expertise since all they do is assess for access to benefits and DO NOT TREAT, OR MAKE A CARE PACKAGE, OR RUN A & E, in fact do not even write in the Patients Medical History as they are not qualified or do not have access so why are they writing about us.David Simpson.3 -
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awww 😊 thank you Albus, much appreciated. I wasn’t sure of the legalities of publishing it but it’s up now and I hope others can decipher it and share opinions from a Labour perspective. Thank you x2
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I've seen a fair bit of commentary from Labour on disability, but nothing so far that suggests they'll walk back on the Conservative push for reform of PIP. I suspect that they'll keep quiet about it, and then should they win at the GE , blame the lapsed government for the inability to reverse anything.
That and of course generally speaking spend their five year term blaming the last fourteen years of Tory rule for everything1 -
ThundyUK said:I've seen a fair bit of commentary from Labour on disability, but nothing so far that suggests they'll walk back on the Conservative push for reform of PIP. I suspect that they'll keep quiet about it, and then should they win at the GE , blame the lapsed government for the inability to reverse anything.
That and of course generally speaking spend their five year term blaming the last fourteen years of Tory rule for everything2 -
SummerLove said:judie said:ThundyUK said:I've seen a fair bit of commentary from Labour on disability, but nothing so far that suggests they'll walk back on the Conservative push for reform of PIP. I suspect that they'll keep quiet about it, and then should they win at the GE , blame the lapsed government for the inability to reverse anything.
That and of course generally speaking spend their five year term blaming the last fourteen years of Tory rule for everything0 -
Yea it's disgusting that government are attacking sick and disabled. And what really made me mad is what they were planning about the homeless on the streets. They wanted to clear them of the streets by not allowing them to put up tents to sleep in. People with mental health issues are getting attacked and the newspapers aren't any better they seem to be backing up government. Please hope they get booted out at general election. Labour hasn't said how they would make the system better.1
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It's terrible, my mental health got much worse with all this going on.
I have other Conditions as well which are bad enough.3 -
On writing ON the above comment to my MP which was at 12:07 pm (7 minutes past 12 day time) I cc it to 5 others, in 9 minutes I received 3 replies and an invitation to join a Zoom Metting today at 18.00 today to TALK, about proposals made, not only by me, but to the people who will make a difference comming soon since this is really not a political thing, it about getting the right sort of help today, here, and now. Not as a political adgenda. I really could not care who you voted for as long as you voted. This is the start of a LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. If who you voted for did or did not get in and again you still want to make a difference, then open your eyes and see the news of how the DWP has now stopped further assessments under the New Social Care Act. Why? because there was no consultation except from certain areas they wanted to get good reading from. What I saw was their ability to change wording in a document that on the surface of those that only read the first 6 or 8 pages of a document look as though they are doing something at last. WRONG, why would you want to alter a system of benefits that at least (most with a fight) pay some financial reward to assist the sick, Disabled, (whether from birth or accident to an able bodied person) or long term sick, say from the recent pandemic, (long Corvid) and replace it with a voucher system to pay for Aids or Adaptions that you don't have and applied for and didn't get because a decision Maker says you are not entitled to it?
The change to the system should and was made, when we let Universal Credit continue because it would make IT EASIER TO KEEP ALL your information, BOTH MEDICAL AND FINANCIAL on one computer and then state in small letters under the declaration that "in signing this declaration I allow the DWP to keep this information, which will only be given to PEOPLE WE DEEM AS NECESSARY, TO ALLOW (UNIVERSAL CREDIT) OTHER GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS TO NOT HAVE TO SEEK PERMISSION AND STATE THEIR PURPOSE, or to allow Assessors APROVED BY US to receive this information or any information contained in the form filling claim for BENEFITS. So, when you combine 6 benefits into 1 you end up with a financial loss of around £80+ a MONTH? If 1+1+1+1+1+1=6 Then how when you combine 6 benefits into 1 you end up 1+1+1+1+1+1=4? We know why yet we let it carry on. The Disabled have always been a good target along with the NHS, They "improved the system" and took it away from the NHS who allowed the DWP to "farm out" assessments to a system that they wanted called Private Investment companies in America and France, that we know are ATOS, Maximus, Concentrix and Capita, who all run an American style PRIVATE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM, WHERE you have to have private health care before being seen? Where is the NHS NOW? longer waiting lists for routine operations, longer waiting lists for seeing a GP, longer waiting lists for treatment, longer waits for dental care, instant removal of benefits if you don't report any treatment at A & E that because they are hours and go past midnight are NOW CLASSED AS AN OVERNIGHT STAY IN HOSPITAL, irrespective of whether you get seen or not?
Access to your bank account as you sent them in an income and expendature form believing that that you would get help in Rent reduction, yet in proving in one case that they were £350/month under the threshhold for paying tax still said they had an excess of income and reduced the claim accordingly by 20% and 65% against the applicable amount SET BY THEM? no tax rebate either.
My point to all this is we are fed up of being pidgeon holed and left to have care from family members because the system says they cannot be paid for what they do as this then becomes another source of income to them? That food banks which were designed to help those that the government decided that the figure they pay is enough to support a family unit or single person and if you can't manage get a job, Margret Thathcher attitude still in use today. So why do we have FOOD BANKS THEN. What of those that cannot work because their doctor says no? Or the period of healing says 30 weeks and the government says 10 irrespective of whether the result is good or bad and lets have you in to get you back to work even if you have ongoing mental issues that prevent you.
If you want to stay on the side lines then don't complain when sending in Medical information about you and they use THEIR SYSTEM to assess whether you get benefits or not. I AM NOT WAITING.2 -
Andi66 said:It's terrible mental health got much worse with all this going on.
I have other Conditions as well which are bad enough.1
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