Segway/standing mobility scooter

Shivvy
Shivvy Online Community Member Posts: 8 Contributor
Hi, I wondered if there was such a thing as a disability designated Segway. I notice the actor Lenny Rush uses one and I wondered if they can be obtained in the UK and what the rules are. OT is currently looking at powered chair for my child to use in secondary school as the site is big, however he is ambulant (although tires easily so here the need for some form of adaption) I wondered if there were any other options other than a seated power chair 
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  • newborn
    newborn Online Community Member Posts: 828 Trailblazing
    What clever parents you are! At times it is best to use what suits. ignoring what is on an NHS list. Can you find somewhere to try out Segways? Admittedly it needs a bit more practice than a chair, and admittedly the OT will be scared to advise him to use anything but a chair.  But only for box ticking reasons because novel ideas are discouraged by beaurocratic systems.

    Some charities specialise in children's wheelchairs and maybe wouldhave experience of 'wheelchair- alternatives'?

    Segway USA willbe sure to have examples where this is used for exactly that purpose:i.e. The user is not less strong or less mobile than average, but is more quickly tired. (Probably a firm rule about wearing a helmet wouldbe needed) You will need good research to convince the school it counts as an alternative wheelchair in case they worry about insurance and health and safety and fear he will mow others down in the playground (He won't, and an electric wheelchair makes a far more serious weapon!)

      But your idea could be brilliant for various reasons, one being 'cool' among his peers, another being more easily transported, or carried/dragged. The good thing about standing at eye level with the others is he can keep being included easily in conversations, and can see everything others can.

      Obviously his new school would have to make a firm rule nobody is allowed to ride it except for him, and he is not allowed to give anyone permission.   Again maybe Segway or a charity would have information and suggestions. You might consider, if necessary,  being creative with fact and telling him it is insured exclusively for him and on the basis of an electric wheelchair. So if his best friends ride it down the path in your own back garden, you could make a show of wanting to confirm with their parents that if there is an accident, you have an email in advance confirming they fully accept any risk and liability for their own child. 
  • Shivvy
    Shivvy Online Community Member Posts: 8 Contributor
    thank you so much newborn for such a comprehensive answer and some great tips there that I will definitely take on. Much appreciated 
  • egister
    egister Posts: 899 Empowering

    Any news?)

  • Shivvy
    Shivvy Online Community Member Posts: 8 Contributor

    No news - still hoping to find a powered chair alternative

  • Shivvy
    Shivvy Online Community Member Posts: 8 Contributor

    Have not been able to find one to try - need a child's version

  • egister
    egister Posts: 899 Empowering

    Segway Ninebot S Smart/mini PRO/mini LITE ???

    https://store.segway.com/ninebot-s-kids

    https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/segway-copy.html
    https://www.amazon.com/segway-minipro/s?k=segway+minipro
    https://aliexpress.com/item/1005005988776771.html

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Online Community Member Posts: 2,537 Championing
    edited June 2024

    A full sized Segway is capable of at least a speedy 12.5mph - any mini version will HAVE to be somehow restricted to 4mph - but yes this is potentially a good move …

    Even the https://store.segway.com/ninebot-s-kids is capable of 8.7mph - this is over double the legal limit of a powered wheelchair. so would have to be permanently restricted to 4mph !

  • Shivvy
    Shivvy Online Community Member Posts: 8 Contributor

    really appreciate the advice and links thank you. The speed issue is such an important factor too

  • egister
    egister Posts: 899 Empowering

    So what? Health and life or law enforcement? In addition, the segway can be reprogrammed to reduce speed.

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Online Community Member Posts: 2,537 Championing
    edited July 2024

    I am guessing that you are from "across the pond" ?

    We do things slightly differently in the UK - We limit mobility scooters etc to 4mph (unless they are road legal class 3, in which case - they need to be registered with DVLA and can then do 8mph on roads (not bus lanes though).

    4mph is the limit of any "vehicle" on pavements as well.

    At the moment - Segways or any "hoverboard" are illegal for ANYONE to use in public areas in UK (roads and/or pavements) at any speed.

    The only place that a Segway can be legally used in on private property in UK.

    I assume that Lenny Rush only uses his segway on private property - because he will be breaking the law otherwise.

  • egister
    egister Posts: 899 Empowering

    So what? Health and life or law enforcement? In addition, the segway can be reprogrammed to reduce speed.

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Online Community Member Posts: 2,537 Championing
  • egister
    egister Posts: 899 Empowering

    https://www.un.org/disabilities/documents/convention/convention_accessible_pdf.pdf

    Article 20: Personal mobility
    States Parties shall take effective measures to ensure personal mobility with
    the greatest possible independence for persons with disabilities, including by:
    (a) Facilitating the personal mobility of persons with disabilities in the manner
    and at the time of their choice, and at affordable cost;
    (b) Facilitating access by persons with disabilities to quality mobility aids,
    devices, assistive technologies and forms of live assistance and
    intermediaries, including by making them available at affordable cost;
    (c) Providing training in mobility skills to persons with disabilities and to
    specialist staff working with persons with disabilities;
    (d) Encouraging entities that produce mobility aids, devices and assistive
    technologies to take into account all aspects of mobility for persons with
    disabilities

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Online Community Member Posts: 2,537 Championing
    edited July 2024

    Sorry but… https://www.theukrules.co.uk/news/sports-and-leisure/hoverboard-laws/#segway_law

    including:

    In legal terms, the police consider these devices as motor vehicles.
    As such, they are subject to standard legal requirements that apply to
    cars or motorcycles, including:

    They cannot therefore be used on a road unless they conform to the
    law and many such vehicles will never be ‘road legal’ as their design
    fails to meet UK or EC road vehicle standards.

    Furthermore, such vehicles cannot legally be used on the pavement
    either, in fact the only place they can be used is on private land with
    the landowner’s permission.

    People often believe the law doesn’t apply because some of these
    vehicles are small – like children’s toys. But, UK hoverboard
    legislation does not exempt ‘toys’.

    In fact, the physical size of a vehicle is not used as an indicator of whether it qualifies as a child’s toy.

    If young people use such vehicles on the road or pavement the rider
    may be committing several offences. Moreover, the parents may also face
    prosecution for aiding and abetting or permitting the offences.

  • egister
    egister Posts: 899 Empowering

    Do you think that this law discriminates against people with disabilities who use e-scooters and segway as wheelchairs?

    https://www.northdevongazette.co.uk/news/home/1446537/braunton-woman-with-dwarfism-faces-electric-scooter-dilemma.html

    And remember… kicksharing … https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/electric-scooter-rental-trial

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Online Community Member Posts: 2,537 Championing

    I have a personal reason for hating these "Hoverboard / Scooters"

    We live in an area with several families who don't think about anyone other than themselves and use scooters as daily transport - despite it being totally illegal - they often shoot past our house at (clearly) over 30mph - and ignore rules of the road, using both sides of the road and often two up….our road is a 20mph limit !

    In fact there was one yesterday evening - who shot past at an estimated 50mph.

    I feel like reporting them, anonymously to the police - but the police would do absolutely nothing.

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Online Community Member Posts: 2,537 Championing

    No - as long as the disabled person follows the law !!

    This disabled person is breaking the law - so should suffer the penalties

  • egister
    egister Posts: 899 Empowering

    If a disabled person breaks a stupid law, then this law will be broken and consigned to history as Red flag traffic laws. Do you think laws should only respect your interests in personal mobility, but should not respect the interests of people with disabilities who use e-scooters? It's a slippery slope.

  • egister
    egister Posts: 899 Empowering

    Fear has many eyes and can see things underground (Miguel de Cervantes).

    15.5 mph: The scooter must have a maximum speed of 15.5 mph.

    Scooters sold on the market have this limitation - 15.5 mph; reprogramming slightly increases the peak speed, but at the same time the mileage drops significantly and there is a high probability of breakdown. If a person behaves like a bully, he will behave like this on a bicycle, on a motorcycle, in a wheelchair, in a car and on foot. Regular PLEV users just need to get to their destination without any trouble. For an e-scooter driver, colliding with you on your heavy electric wheelchair is tantamount to hitting the Jersey barrier. They are more afraid of you.