So labour won by a landslide - what happens next? (Both in general & disabled ppl perspective)

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  • michael57
    michael57 Online Community Member Posts: 1,627 Championing

    in my short 67 years i have never learnt to trust one or anything that comes out there mouths

  • apple85
    apple85 Online Community Member Posts: 893 Championing

    oh I did once

    But I learnt that had lesson from the brexit fallout

    Either way I think it’s everyone’s responsibility to keep politicians accountable - the last thing we should do is presume things will always be **** and accept it……….its probably a fight this community will probably never fully win but it’s still a worthwhile fight that we should never give up on

  • michael57
    michael57 Online Community Member Posts: 1,627 Championing

    i have yet to see a mp or pm admit accountability for any of there decisions that has had a detrimental effect on the uk or even peoples lives since the 2nd world war be it the conservative labour or any other party this is just my own personal view

  • apple85
    apple85 Online Community Member Posts: 893 Championing

    I don’t have a lot of time now but Stephen timms has been named ‘minister of social security and disability’ (I don’t know if this is a senior minister role, junior minister or undersecretary of state role?)

    When it was a junior minister role under the tories it was named ‘minister of state for disabled people, health and work’ - which I personally sounds better if you associate list order as order of priority (I’m checking the Tony Blair years and they had ‘minister of state for employment & disability rights’ which is very similar for now - though there was in Blair’s day a ‘secretary of state for social security’ also so it sounds like those 2 briefs from the Blair days have been merged) - it could of been better but at least it’s a (junior) minister role

    As I said I don’t have time to expand now but I’ve got missed feeling on timms which I’ll explain later but would be very interested in what the rest of you think


    (Also I found out that foxcroft was actually a party whip for part of the corbyn leadership days which may part explain why starmer chose to take foxcroft off the disabled ppl brief and moved to the whip office - still a huge loss to this community imo)

  • Jimm_Alumni
    Jimm_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 5,713 Championing

    Interesting, I've not seen it named Minister of Social Security and Disability yet. I must have somehow missed that news. I suppose there's been a lot of big news the past week!

    Looking forward to your thoughts when you have the time @apple85

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 4,401 Championing
    edited July 2024

    JasonRA,

    Stephen Timms is a charlatan. Having signed off the WCA in 2008, he failed to speak out when IDS spotted "a fundamental flaw in the regulations" and he supported welfare cuts for disabled people in 2015.

    The disabled community has been quiet until recently but plans for Support Group claimants never went away. Read Labour's 2015 manifesto for disabled people to understand all this was decided even before Sir Keir became an MP.

  • egister
    egister Posts: 1,116 Pioneering

    You need to know the dynamics of the budgets allocated each year for people with disabilities. The chatter of politicians is not worth listening to.

  • apple85
    apple85 Online Community Member Posts: 893 Championing

    you’re very kind to be interested in my thoughts Jimm - I like to think my autism makes me logical in a good way (though 100% logic thinking can make you cold - I hope I also have a bit of empathy even though I’m very blunt)

    I’m probably going to have to split my opinion in several posts over the coming days (esp with kings speech later today - that may change a few things for

    ————————So it sounds like the minister for disabled ppl is split over a couple of ministers: Stephen timms - minister of social security & disability (responsible for cross government responsibility for disability) Alison McGovern - minister of state for employment (responsible for disability employment)
    on the one hand it makes sense to split the role as ‘disabled ppl’ as it’s such a huge minority group but only if the 2 above don’t view this part of their role with lesser importance than there other role parts (I will post further opinion on timms & McGovern as individuals later)One thing I’ve noticed is both timms & McGovern are both very much starmers ppl (compared to foxcroft who was happy to work under both starmer and corbyn)
    But the big takeaway is that this dwp minister team are very focused in getting a significant amount of disabled ppl off welfare and into work (prehaps more importance put on this compared to tackling welfare fraud, or prioritising going after fully able welfare spongers)
    I think in all honestly those in the disabled community who think realistically knew that esp with cost of living plus the country finances we can’t realistically expect something for nothing (or given money for disability and just left alone) we would need to figure out a way the disabled community can contribute going forwardHowever labour seemed to have learnt nothing from the Tory tenure in the dwp (appointing Kendall as head of dwp was a very Tory move and the aggressive language used by Kendall, starmers and others the past year, even in this past month just does further damage to this community)It’s not wrong for labour to want more disabled to be able to work or to reduce welfare bill
    however their current method is to claw back as much welfare money as possibleBut their method in an analogy is:Telling the disabled that they are going to to have to run a marathon with next to no warning (so no time for prep or training or getting necessary aids) but they aren’t going to section off or clear the marathon route of ppl or vehicles traffic before starting the race
    basically labour nor the dwp have no right to ask anything of the disabled community till they ‘clear/section off the marathon route of traffic” for our communities safety if that makes sense - if they do that then we can start to find a solution that benefits all but not before
    I’ll expand on that thought in the next few days
  • apple85
    apple85 Online Community Member Posts: 893 Championing

    https://www.bigissue.com/news/politics/kings-speech-labour-benefits-no-fault-evictions-conversion-therapy/


    once the published kings speech is out I’ll look for the bills concerning the scope community

  • apple85
    apple85 Online Community Member Posts: 893 Championing
    edited July 2024

    I think a full pdf of the kings speech 2024 full contents will be published soon but for now I’ve found this

    https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/kings-speech-2024-research-and-reading-lists/


    I have a few other things to do today but I’ll do my best to identify the upcoming bills of interest


    edit: well getting more disabled of welfare and into work looking very likely to be a priority for labours gov year 1 (edit 2: May of jumped the gun on that last one - these House of Lords docs seem to be educated guesses - need to wait for the official kings speech doc


    https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/LLN-2024-0042/LLN-2024-0042.pdf

  • apple85
    apple85 Online Community Member Posts: 893 Championing

    full kings speech 2024 pdf (will try and breakdown - likely with screenshots and highlighter later today or tomorrow)

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/669791c549b9c0597fdafe63/King_s_Speech_2024_background_briefing_notes.pdf

  • Tonawanda17
    Tonawanda17 Online Community Member Posts: 177 Contributor

    Hi. i see there is a digital bill. Does anyone think this is possibly bank spying or sharing information between the DWP and HMRC? Thanks

  • Albus_Scope
    Albus_Scope Posts: 10,514 Scope Online Community Coordinator

    Absolutely no mention of that still @Tonawanda17 that was a previous governments idea and that's all it was. I'd try not to worry too much. 😊

  • apple85
    apple85 Online Community Member Posts: 893 Championing

    albus I never implied that ALL disabled will be forced into work (it’s just not possible) but I do think a number of disabled will be pressured into work because it’s kind of already started by making sickness elements of the welfare system so hard to claim

    I’m a little miffed that you’re aiming the below comment towards me specifically:

    “We need to be very careful of the wording as we don’t want to scare people unnecessarily”

    This is a statement you need to be aiming towards the likes of Kendall and starmer (rather than me - I know I’m very blunt but ppl were scared before and regardless of what I type) - with quotes like ‘those who can work will work’, the top brass of labour haven’t been mindful of their ‘wording’ and you could say as a result of this they’ve been ‘scaring people unnecessarily’ (unless of course starmer/reeves/kendall intent was to scare ppl on welfare as a whole not caring about personal circumstance)


    I’ll stand by my current opinion till something significant is said - liz Kendall (the woman who currently in charge of welfare) has said nothing since officially getting the minister of dwp job to suggest anything will dramatically change from the cruel way the tories we’re doing things

    The fact she hasn’t said anything about the accelerated uc migration rollout (which should be slowed or paused to fixed problems nor not ruled out changing pip to voucher/receipt system speaks volumes (prehaps something will be said before summer recess but if it stays quiet I’m sorry but I’m personally going to judge the decision to stay quiet when saying a few calming words would of cost so little)

  • Tonawanda17
    Tonawanda17 Online Community Member Posts: 177 Contributor

    Hi, thanks albus. Whats concerning me now is i found something saying that labour is planning to use A.I to share information from HMRC to DWP. Thanks again

  • apple85
    apple85 Online Community Member Posts: 893 Championing

    when I read through the digital bill on the kings speech pdf it seemed totally unrelated to old bill you mention (I only skimmed but I saw nothing to suggest it will be revisited in the immediate future)

  • Tonawanda17
    Tonawanda17 Online Community Member Posts: 177 Contributor

    Hi, apple85 & thanks. Whats concerning me now is i found that thing from the blair thinktank saying that labour is
    planning to use A.I to share information from HMRC to DWP. I suffer with OCD and my mind can run away a bit. thanks

  • apple85
    apple85 Online Community Member Posts: 893 Championing

    I think you may of gotten confused by that Blair thinktank doc about dwp and ai?

    You know by now that many of the mods and longtime scope posters are of the thought process of not coming to conclusions till 1000% confirmed so not to scare.

    You must have also figured that as a poster I’m very blunt, am a heavy researcher and may conclude things before 100% confirmed (and I admit I am at times wrong and will more often than not put my hand up when I am)


    so I hope you’ll take heed in my words now - I really don’t think labour will resurrect the dwp bank surveillance policy in the near future and right now (at least labours 1st year) this is something you don’t need to worry about

  • Albus_Scope
    Albus_Scope Posts: 10,514 Scope Online Community Coordinator

    @apple85 apologies, I did meant "we" as we all have to be careful so we don't spread any fear, there's a lot of people here with bad anxiety issues that we don't want to make worse.

    I will say I think it's very positive that Liz Kendall spoke to Mark Hodgkinson (our CEO) less than 24 hours into her new role. This is a great reflection of the respect for Scope’s evidence and insight. 

     Mark has written to Liz Kendall and lots more activity with the new Ministerial team is planned, so I'm seeing this as a step in the right direction.