Hello, when the LCWRA for change is 'day to day life cannot be managed', what does that mean?

Rumbler303
Rumbler303 Online Community Member Posts: 136 Connected

Hello there,
Could someone please clarify what this means? Does this mean that people, such as a parent or carer, have to do the majority of things that an able bodied person could do if they were living on their own e.g. household tasks? What does that mean exactly?
Thanks.

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  • luvpink
    luvpink Online Community Member Posts: 2,230 Championing

    Hi sorry I haven't come across that question before.

    Wishing you a very warm welcome to the community.

  • Rumbler303
    Rumbler303 Online Community Member Posts: 136 Connected

    Hello no problem, hopefully someone can clarify as I'm unsure what it means. I have asked the DWP Decision Maker to give me a call to clarify as I think I could have been more specific, but I need some help. Thank you.

  • mix_dage
    mix_dage Online Community Member Posts: 82 Empowering

    Hi @Rumbler303

    This link may help define what it means

  • mix_dage
    mix_dage Online Community Member Posts: 82 Empowering
  • Rumbler303
    Rumbler303 Online Community Member Posts: 136 Connected

    Hi @mix_dage yes I've seen that one, but I'm not sure what "managed" means, like I can't do certain things or something like that and someone has to do it instead? What does it mean? Thanks for your reply.

  • anisty
    anisty Online Community Member Posts: 836 Championing

    I think this one is relevant to people with autism or possibly some mental health disorders where a change in routine causes anxiety to the extent that the person shuts down completely or has a meltdown which takes a while to recover from and they need someone to be there to calm them down and help them move through their distress.

  • Rumbler303
    Rumbler303 Online Community Member Posts: 136 Connected

    Hello @anisty thanks for your reply, I do indeed have autism and right now I am having massive meltdowns and mood swings and Mum is helping me, and sometimes, helping me do things instead as I'll often withdraw into my room and forego other activities that an independent person would be able to do.

    I don't have a routine at the moment because I'm having real trouble sleeping, but anything that I do plan on doing, I'm getting the above outbursts.

    I am afraid that on my assessment I didn't specify to the assessor that it was both planned and unplanned. I've asked the DWP decision maker to give me a ring after leaving a message on my journal to clarify with them, but does that sound like I meet that descriptor?

  • Rumbler303
    Rumbler303 Online Community Member Posts: 136 Connected

    I also want to clarify that this is happening for the majority of the time, but forgot to specifically mention both planned and unplanned change to the assessor, so I hope that I haven't lost my chance, but I've heard the DWP will ring you if you ask before the decision.

  • anisty
    anisty Online Community Member Posts: 836 Championing

    I'd say so - yes. Obviously you are going to be very limited in an employment situation if you could have a meltdown at work!

    Remember, though, in the LCWRA group, you are allowed to do voluntary work or supported work if you want to and, as you know, a lot of meltdown behaviour comes from overwhelming demands and an inability to organise what to do in certain situations.

    If you are up to it, just gently doing some low pressure activities in a supported environment can work wonders for your confidence and mental health.

    If you go into LCWRA group, you won't have a work coach and won't be asked to look for work but this can be a great opportunity to try things out with no pressure at all.

    The more confident you become, the fewer meltdowns you will have!

    Good luck with your LCWRA application!

  • Rumbler303
    Rumbler303 Online Community Member Posts: 136 Connected

    Thank you for your kind message — yes it's been a tough year and I've had employment problems which are still ongoing (I've been on sick leave for a year and I'm still recovering now and don't feel well — so much stress).

    I didn't know that you can do stuff with LCWRA, so you can also work with it can you? I suppose you have to be careful that the reasons that you were given it don't contradict if the descriptor that did apply no longer applies if going back into work. What's the supported work stuff?

    Mum has been a lifesaver and I've been through a year of hell, so at the moment I'm really just looking to take time out of work, but I'm sure when this bad patch passes, I'll be okay again.

    I've only given the assessor and DWP my Autism diagnosis and a PTSD diagnosis, not any medical letters of me not coping, is that okay though? My understanding was you can just say to the assessor on the day how you're not coping but as long as you have that diagnosis you're fine.

  • Rumbler303
    Rumbler303 Online Community Member Posts: 136 Connected

    If I've asked the decision maker to give me a ring, will they as well? I'll ask Mum to speak for me with me chiming in but she's really dealing with me and giving me that support right now. The meltdowns are hard to manage though 100%.

  • anisty
    anisty Online Community Member Posts: 836 Championing

    I don't know what the decision maker will do, i'm afraid. If you are in receipt of pip, although they are supposed to be seperate benefits (you can qualify for pip and not LCWRA and vice versa) that might go in your favour.

    It seemed to for my son. His face2face LCWRA appt was cancelled last minute as "new evidence had been received"

    Very puzzling as i had not sent any new evidence BUT what had happened, that very week is that pip had made a decision on his claim. So i think they do work together a bit even though they say they don't!

    Yes - if the work you are doing contradicts what you said on the form, that could be a problem!

    I should say - I am not a disabled person and our family is not dependent on benefits.

    My son did qualify for LCWRA and double enhanced PIP but i am always seeking out opportunities to help him do the most and i'd rather see him move off these benefits and into work.

    In his case, unfortunately, he is hampered by an additional learning difficulty so it's probably not realistic that he will ever be independent of us or benefits but his confidence has rocketed through work - even volunteering does so much for self-worth and practising social skills.

    Supported employment is what my son does - it is exactly as described. The disabled person works alongside able workers.

    Where my son is (in a cafe) they take people of all disabilities from anxiety, Downs Syndrome, Autism. Just anyone who needs support to be able to carry out work.

    Check out what services are available for autistic people in your area. There might also be a drop in centre for activities with other autistic people.

    I do think it is important to still try, within what you are able to do, just to gently try and go out each day - even if the thought of my suggestions feel too much just now - try to get out with your mum for a Mcdonald's, some bowling or anything you can manage.

    Because if you stay in your house every day it can soon seem too much to go out at all.

    So - good luck getting your LCWRA but don't write yourself off if you get it! Try to just gently explore things that might interest you without stressing yourself out!

  • Rumbler303
    Rumbler303 Online Community Member Posts: 136 Connected

    Yes I am in receipt of PIP, but enhanced daily living and basic mobility (I don't have physical difficulties, just cognitive). Was the face to face that was cancelled just a usual appointment when not found in any of the groups? I think that's what you mean. Interesting though they cancelled after your son was awarded PIP. I do try to get out and about with Mum every now and again but mostly I just stay in, it is hard.

    Yeah I will think about more supportive types of work when I feel ready, I will be going back into work at some point, but just not right now, there's too many things going on at the moment, thanks for your reply again.

  • anisty
    anisty Online Community Member Posts: 836 Championing

    The face2face that was cancelled was the capability to work assessment. After i filled out the UC50, my son received an appt to go in for an assessment of his capability to work.

    I think it was the day before the assessment that i got a phone call to say it was cancelled and to watch out for a message in the UC journal - then a message appeared there that he was put in LCWRA.

    It was a surprise as we all expected LCW for him but it turned out to be good as he has managed to learn a few skills at his own pace.

    Yes, i totally get how difficult this is and i'm glad your Mum is a great support to you.

    Just small steps. Although autism is life long, you can still learn new skills and make lots of progress as long as your environment is well organised for you.

    Take care

  • Rumbler303
    Rumbler303 Online Community Member Posts: 136 Connected

    Oh I see, so your son had a paper-based one then pretty much, that's good.

    Yes I think small steps are important, it's life-long but I've had a lot of bad turning of events, and without my family I'm not sure where I would be, and I'm sure I will be back on my feet eventually.

    Take care and thank you for your help.

  • Rumbler303
    Rumbler303 Online Community Member Posts: 136 Connected

    Hi @anisty if I could ask but if I decide to go back into work with LCWRA under "not coping with any change," if I move out on my own do you think it's necessary that I'd need my Mum to do more independent things?

    Part of the reason I am claiming this is because of work stress, and the job I was in did have a ton of change that was just stressing me out and I couldn't cope anymore… I'm kind of wondering that if I get work that is more stable/routine/hardly has any change, could I still stay on LCWRA do you think?

    Working less hours with ASD but in a job that is more structured would benefit me immensely whilst claiming PIP and LCWRA and eventually going back into work. What's your thoughts?

  • Rumbler303
    Rumbler303 Online Community Member Posts: 136 Connected

    I suppose to add onto that it's possible that I'll go back to having outbursts if I go back into an intense job, so how necessary is it to have someone there with me pretty much to qualify for that descriptor do you think?

  • Rumbler303
    Rumbler303 Online Community Member Posts: 136 Connected

    I think the key thing is that when you have a change, you get outbursts, which makes day-to-day life more difficult, rather than absolutely needing someone else to help you.

  • Rumbler303
    Rumbler303 Online Community Member Posts: 136 Connected

    Oh and I worked from home before in this job, so if I move back out into a flat on my own at some point and won't be around people to calm me but work from home, I'm curious how it's gonna work.

  • anisty
    anisty Online Community Member Posts: 836 Championing

    I think you could stay on LCWRA for until it was reviewed.

    You are in a similar situation to my son in a way because, when his routine is kept stable and his work is familiar, he is very capable at it.

    In fact, i doubt whether any customer at the cafe he works at would spot he had any problems at all most of the time.

    Where he would have a problem is if a few folks came in at once all asking for things at the same time or if a jug of water got knocked over - this is when a supporter would need to come along and assist.

    And - i can tell you are more cognitively able than my son (just by the fact we are having this conversation) but i expect you are similar in that when you are given the things you need to succeed at work - fewer demands, shorter hours, not working to deadlines, allowed to work in a quiet area etc - you perform really well.

    But when your boss sees you performing well, there's the risk that they increase your workload til you have an autistic burnout.

    So my thoughts are that if you get the LCWRA then, if and when you felt ready, you could try some work and just go very slowly if your employer will support that. What is your work, if you don't mind my asking?

    If it all went really well and you managed to get back full time, you will likely have deductions off your UC as you can only earn £500 and some (can't remember exact figure) per MONTH before you start losing some of your UC.

    But i think you could stay on LCWRA til it next got reviewed (uc would see you were working again; i don't know if that could trigger a review)

    And then - if you earned enough to get independent of UC, you'd need to ask your employer for reasonable adjustments to make sure the work stayed manageable for you.

    Do you think you can recognise the situations that cause you to have meltdowns? Are there any strategies you have been shown that work for you?

    I expect, as you get older, you will know yourself better. We all do, autistic or not. You will know exactly what pushes your buttons - unfortunately in a workplace it can be another collegue that just bombards you with questions, information, scrapes their chair, wears strong perfume you cannot tolerate. Opens a window when you want it shut.

    People are just very annoying! And i am not even autistic!

    So, for you, obviously your Mum will know when you're ready to move out. And i think it would be really important to know that you can calm yourself down before taking that step.

    You could still be close to home. Have a care package put in. Have phone numbers to call.

    Even simple strategies like just stopping, breathing slowly, closing your eyes and just knowing that your anxious feelings will subside. Having a plan of what to do each day. Clear, easy, not too much. Write it down.

    And - most of all - knowing when to ask for help. Autistic people are not good at asking for help!

    But, you know, no man was ever designed to live as an island. Even adults need help. And no problem cannot be solved. When you can't see a solution, there WILL be someone else that can solve it.

    So i would advise keeping your Mum close at hand always!

    It sounds like you have lived on your own before?

    So you can do it again. In fact, you can do anything you want to do but the key things for you are going to be understanding what your triggers are and having your life organised to reduce overload.

    Knowing how to say "no" at work and not being pushed into too many demands.

    And - recognising impending burnout. Headaches, stomachaches, palpitations, dizziness etc - you urgently need to let your mum know you need help.

    Take things slowly. You could do this over a number of years. Maybe not try to return to your old job straight away. Do some volunteering which could bring you into all kinds of situations where you could practise keeping calm or walking away to take time out. The great thing about volunteering is it looks great on CVs and no contract.

    If you need to walk off the job and cannot stand it - just leave! No notice required! But if it goes well it builds your confidence and social skills.