Pip application, assessment help

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SpoopieDee
SpoopieDee Community member Posts: 17 Listener
Hello all,

I applied for pip and got declined even tho the assesors notes stated areas where i should have gotton points. I am going to tribunal but have also been advised by dwp to apply again anyway just in case the appeal gets denied.

With the tribuneral, i dont have a lot of drs notes other than stating missed appointments (i completely forgot or get too anxious) and official diogenes.

Im not sure what other evidence can be provided to help my case as im not very good at talking and sharing my struggles. 

My question is do i need to say specific scripted things like the citizens advise website like the word "aids" or "severe distress" for them to give the points or is it just the decision maker just playing pot luck and randomly accepting and declining applications?

Im so confused with this too 

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  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 57,297 Championing
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    Reapplying using the same evidence you previously used will likely see another refusal.

    When ringing PiP you’re speaking to someone from a call centre and not someone from DWP. I wouldn’t advise anyone to take any advice they give because they are not benefits advisors.

    You don’t need a diagnosis for a successful PIP award because it’s not about a diagnosis. What matters is how your conditions affect you agains the PIP descriptors.

    Theres no specific wording which you should use. Just include a couple of real world examples of exactly what happened the last time you attempted each descriptor that applies to you. Adding detailed information such as where you were, what exactly happened, did anyone see it and what the consequences were.

    You can also get some expert advice from an agency near you. https://advicelocal.uk/welfare-benefits
  • rebel11
    rebel11 Community member Posts: 1,669 Pioneering
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    You say 'even tho the assesors notes stated areas where i should have gotton points', surely the answer is as Poppy says give 'real world examples' in those areas and others where you think you should score.
  • Adeline
    Adeline Community member Posts: 141 Empowering
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    @SpoopieDee I don't have any additional evidence and have never supplied any. I used purely anecdotal detailed stories about my life for each descriptor.

    Have you submitted a new claim already?
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 57,297 Championing
    edited February 2023
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    You don't really need medical evidence anyway. Also to add, if you start a new claim you will be creating what's known as a closed period. This means that any decision that's made by the Tribunal will only be awarded up until the day before the new award is from.

    Any new decision made on the new claim will also overrule the Tribunal decision. You have to be very careful when starting a new claim when waiting for a Tribunal decision.

    For the hearing have you choosen to either appear in person or have a telephone/video hearing?

    I see from another thread that this is your 2nd PIP application and you were refused the first time. So please think very carefully before you start a new claim and get some expert advice before doing so. Use the link provided above to see what advice agency is local to you.
  • Sheelee1955
    Sheelee1955 Community member Posts: 11 Listener
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    Hi SpoopieDee,

    Have you get any support with your application? I worked doing welfare rights wook for years. No problem organising and advocating for others. Useless for myself. 
    Is there a Scope, Disability Direct, or other free Welfare Rights support agency in your area? You can always halt the process by saying you are seeking support. Sounds like you're having the same problems I always have when attempting to self advocate.

    Sheelee1955 xx
  • SpoopieDee
    SpoopieDee Community member Posts: 17 Listener
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    Adeline said:

    Have you submitted a new claim already?
    @Adeline I have but reading through, i dont know if this is now a mistake. I was just doing what the lady on the phone said.

    I had help filling in my form this time so i hope all will be ok but im now getting more nervous 
  • SpoopieDee
    SpoopieDee Community member Posts: 17 Listener
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    Hi SpoopieDee,

    Have you get any support with your application? I worked doing welfare rights wook for years. No problem organising and advocating for others. Useless for myself. 
    Is there a Scope, Disability Direct, or other free Welfare Rights support agency in your area? You can always halt the process by saying you are seeking support. Sounds like you're having the same problems I always have when attempting to self advocate.

    Sheelee1955 xx
    @Sheelee1955

    I tried citizens advice and could never get an answer from anyone. Id be on hold all day and then the phone would hang up saying no advisors are available. 

    My previous 2 attempts i tried to do with families help. 

    I dont know where im going wrong 
  • calcotti
    calcotti Community member Posts: 10,010 Championing
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    Be aware that because you have made a new application when the tribunal takes place if they decide to make an award the decision of the tribunal will only apply from the date of the original application being appealed until the date of the new application, The new application will be determined by DWP and the DWP decision will apply from the date of the new claim.
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 57,297 Championing
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    Adeline said:

    Have you submitted a new claim already?
    @Adeline I have but reading through, i dont know if this is now a mistake. I was just doing what the lady on the phone said.


    PIP are not benefits advisors and you should always get expert advice before starting a new claim if you're waiting for a Tribunal hearing. If you're refused with this new claim then the whole process starts all over again.