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Reporting a change of circumstances in this case is only necessary if it's likely to increase your award, if not then there is no benefit to it. You've already stated you get a maximum award so this discussion is redundant. I think you need to calm down. A lot of your posts are repeats of previously posted threads, asking the same questions time and time again. Please try to calm down and not worry2
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I can only but quote what the DWP say what you must do. The statement that they make is very clear and I cannot see what is misleading about it. They do not say that you can withhold the information even though you believe that the change will not affect the current award.poppy123456 said:2oldcodgers said:It would seem that a change of circumstances is not covered by the PIP legislation. However according to the DWP you are required to notify a change either if it is a worsening or an improvement. I take and understand the view that a worsening and you are already on the highest award would make no difference. But from what I read it is not for the individual claimant to make the decision to not notify in those circumstances it is for the DWP to decide if the change is likely to result in no change in award.
Personal Independence Payment (PIP): Change of circumstances - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)Your views on this are simply not correct. The adviced on gov.uk is very misleading, if a person already has the highest award then reporting changes for a worsening of condition would make no difference, so logically, why would you want to report changes.I'm currious, have you posted here under a different username in the past? Your comments are starting to sound very familiar...
I always tend to go by what the regulations say - it's the safest way.
But each to their own.
No I have never previously had involvement in/on this website, why do you ask?
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If you want to report a worsening of condition you can, bear in mind you may be required to undertake another assessment, and it could be reduced or even stopped.2oldcodgers said:
I can only but quote what the DWP say what you must do. The statement that they make is very clear and I cannot see what is misleading about it. They do not say that you can withhold the information even though you believe that the change will not affect the current award.poppy123456 said:2oldcodgers said:It would seem that a change of circumstances is not covered by the PIP legislation. However according to the DWP you are required to notify a change either if it is a worsening or an improvement. I take and understand the view that a worsening and you are already on the highest award would make no difference. But from what I read it is not for the individual claimant to make the decision to not notify in those circumstances it is for the DWP to decide if the change is likely to result in no change in award.
Personal Independence Payment (PIP): Change of circumstances - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)Your views on this are simply not correct. The adviced on gov.uk is very misleading, if a person already has the highest award then reporting changes for a worsening of condition would make no difference, so logically, why would you want to report changes.I'm currious, have you posted here under a different username in the past? Your comments are starting to sound very familiar...
I always tend to go by what the regulations say - it's the safest way.
But each to their own.
No I have never previously had involvement in/on this website, why do you ask?
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Are we talking PIP or ESA?2oldcodgers said:
I can only but quote what the DWP say what you must do. The statement that they make is very clear and I cannot see what is misleading about it. They do not say that you can withhold the information even though you believe that the change will not affect the current award.poppy123456 said:2oldcodgers said:It would seem that a change of circumstances is not covered by the PIP legislation. However according to the DWP you are required to notify a change either if it is a worsening or an improvement. I take and understand the view that a worsening and you are already on the highest award would make no difference. But from what I read it is not for the individual claimant to make the decision to not notify in those circumstances it is for the DWP to decide if the change is likely to result in no change in award.
Personal Independence Payment (PIP): Change of circumstances - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)Your views on this are simply not correct. The adviced on gov.uk is very misleading, if a person already has the highest award then reporting changes for a worsening of condition would make no difference, so logically, why would you want to report changes.I'm currious, have you posted here under a different username in the past? Your comments are starting to sound very familiar...
I always tend to go by what the regulations say - it's the safest way.
But each to their own.
No I have never previously had involvement in/on this website, why do you ask?
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2oldcodgers said:I can only but quote what the DWP say what you must do. The statement that they make is very clear and I cannot see what is misleading about it.It's misleading for the reasons myself and others mentioned quite a few times here. IT totally pointless reporting any worsening of condition if you already have the highest award. Even if you don't have the highest award, a worsening of condition doesn't automatically entitle you to a higher award.2oldcodgers said:No I have never previously had involvement in/on this website, why do you ask?
You seem to disagree with everything others say, which reminds me of another member that used to post here. Your comments are also very similar, as are your circumstances.6 -
bluefox said:Are we talking PIP or ESA?
It doesn't matter, the same rules apply to both, as several members constantly give you the exact same advice!
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If I believe that they are wrong and that there is evidence to show that it is why should I not mention it?poppy123456 said:2oldcodgers said:I can only but quote what the DWP say what you must do. The statement that they make is very clear and I cannot see what is misleading about it.It's misleading for the reasons myself and others mentioned quite a few times here. IT totally pointless reporting any worsening of condition if you already have the highest award. Even if you don't have the highest award, a worsening of condition doesn't automatically entitle you to a higher award.2oldcodgers said:No I have never previously had involvement in/on this website, why do you ask?
You seem to disagree with everything others say, which reminds me of another member that used to post here. Your comments are also very similar, as are your circumstances.
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But isn't that the purpose of PIP?JBS2022 said:
If you want to report a worsening of condition you can, bear in mind you may be required to undertake another assessment, and it could be reduced or even stopped.
And why should my award be reduced or stopped? The same medical evidence used to support it is still relevant.
It's not a case of 'I can if I want to' but 'a requirement laid down by the DWP'.
I just don't understand why it is more acceptable to ignore those instructions on the basis that the claimant should decide what is a change.
I've said my bit do what you want but I will follow the rules.0 -
Because the DWP are notorious for stopping or reducing awards based on the same or worst circumstances. So why would people willingly subject themselves to a stressful assessment if they are not likely to be awarded extra money, now if someone's award can be improved it may be worth doing but if you are already getting the maximum possible award it is a waste of the DWPs time and a pointless reassessment will be done for absolutely no benefit. The purpose of reporting a change of circumstances is to ensure people are getting the benefits they are entitled to and not being over paid and to confirm address etc, someone who gets maximum PIP cannot be paid any extra money, so it's pointless reporting it. The only situation I recommend reporting is if your condition has improved and therefore your award may be reduced, otherwise that could be fraud, or if you are likely to get more points at a reassessment (but I would check the descriptors and get advice beforehand).2oldcodgers said:
But isn't that the purpose of PIP?JBS2022 said:
If you want to report a worsening of condition you can, bear in mind you may be required to undertake another assessment, and it could be reduced or even stopped.
And why should my award be reduced or stopped? The same medical evidence used to support it is still relevant.
It's not a case of 'I can if I want to' but 'a requirement laid down by the DWP'.
I just don't understand why it is more acceptable to ignore those instructions on the basis that the claimant should decide what is a change.
I've said my bit do what you want but I will follow the rules.
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The Welfare Rights Officer rang me again today to tell me I should tell them I have ADHD yet said you’ll get LCWRA again and it won’t affect your award.I’m flabbergasted.0
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As i advised many times if you think this is what you should do then do it!
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I said to her why would I report it. My psychiatrist gave me a support letter for ADHD and employment. It isn’t the condition that’s effecting me working.poppy123456 said:As i advised many times if you think this is what you should do then do it!There’s someone in the NEAD support group who said she asked DWP if they needed her seizures diagnosis and they said no0 -
It's just creating a dangerous disruption for the claimant.2oldcodgers said: And why should my award be reduced or stopped? The same medical evidence used to support it is still relevant.It's not a case of 'I can if I want to' but 'a requirement laid down by the DWP'.
I just don't understand why it is more acceptable to ignore those instructions on the basis that the claimant should decide what is a change.
Take for example a claimant already getting PIP and then informed UC that they told DWP that they had been diagnosed for cancer which was added to all their other existing health conditions which had not changed. PIP then carried out a new reassessment and refused the PIP. They claimant did a MR and were still without PIP but this went to tribunal and had they PIP reinstated to match the previous PIP award.
The claimant should never have advised PIP because the cancer would only potentially result in one extra point which would not have increased their award and in factor this didn't know if the impact of the cancer would affect them for 12 months. By telling DWP they just caused them a lot of financial disruption and a lot of mental stress.6 -
So I asked some of the NEAD members, who said they were told by a call centre staff:
you can put it in writing now but it wouldn’t change anything to do with your award
I also rang myself and they said: we’d just put a note on your file, with any new conditions etc.1 -
You need to be very very careful about ringing ESA and PIP for things like this because they could take it as a change of circumstances and send you more forms!!1
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I just said in the event that I get a new diagnosis, what should I do? Was simply out of curiousity.poppy123456 said:You need to be very very careful about ringing ESA and PIP for things like this because they could take it as a change of circumstances and send you more forms!!0 -
That question has been answered many many times on all of your other threads.1
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'may', 'could', 'might' are assumptions.poppy123456 said:You need to be very very careful about ringing ESA and PIP for things like this because they could take it as a change of circumstances and send you more forms!!
The real and proper answer to this question is that it is down to the individual. I follow the DWP regulations religiously, others might not want to do that for fear of more forms to fill in.
It's each to their own.0 -
2oldcodgers said:
'may', 'could', 'might' are assumptions.poppy123456 said:You need to be very very careful about ringing ESA and PIP for things like this because they could take it as a change of circumstances and send you more forms!!
The real and proper answer to this question is that it is down to the individual. I follow the DWP regulations religiously, others might not want to do that for fear of more forms to fill in.
It's each to their own.If you already have the highest award possible then reporting a worsening of condition is absurd. All you will achieve is more stress, more forms, another assessment and potentially losing everything you already have. I've never heard of anything so ridiculous!Though i agree, "each to their own"3
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