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If you are vaccine injured would you look at group legal action against pharmaceutical companies

rfour1985

Hello all,

I am 37 and unfortunately I have become disabled due to the vaccine and boosters which have damaged my heart and caused me to be in constant chronic pain unable to support my own body weight anymore. Just over a year ago I was fit and healthy, playing sports, doing marathons and working a physical job. Now I am unable to work due to the decline in my health and it caused me to have suicidal idealations at one point but I am in a better place now for my mental health.

I have applied for the vaccine compensation scheme but the payout percentage is very low and the 60% disabled is open to too much grey area. I have spoken to a few law firms regarding individual legal action for myself but have been told that the government are immune to legal action. This is because the vaccine was deemed safe at the time and I took mine as I was working throughout COVID and didn't want to make anyone sick.

The only way to take legal action and get real compensation would be to take action against pharmaceutical companies and this would not happen at an individual level. So I am reaching out to see if there are others in the same situation as me who would look at starting a class action lawsuit or if there is one already started that I could join.

I have had two major heart attacks since then and I am worried that I may pass away sooner than expected and I would like to be reassured my family would be taken care of.

Thank you for taking the time to read this.

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rfour1985

Thank you Purrrrrrr,

I have spoken to many nurses whilst getting my treatment who have said they unfortunately see a lot of people like me now and that they can't say anything about it as there would be repercussions. It took a long time for my doctor's to finally note that it was vaccine induced as I don't match any know medical conditions. I was a human pin cushion at one point lol.

I just feel that as we were told we should be vaccinated as we were key workers there must be some responsibility. They way my health is going I honestly don't think I'll make 50 and I just want to make sure my partner and son are looked after.

The censorship is really bad to be honest, but I have said that I will fight to be heard if I have to.

I hope you are doing well.

rebel11

I'm sorry this has happened to you, I hope things keep improving for you.

It is a tough ask, simple because the Government will 'drag their heels', Governments are 'renowned' for doing that, history shows us that.

Things you need to do -

Find people who have been effected negatively by the vaccine, collect details add them to your group, there will be other groups out there, when you find them, you can merge. No doubt some will be international.

Do a lot of research, there are lots of articles out there on the vaccine.

https://www.science.org/content/article/rare-cases-coronavirus-vaccines-may-cause-long-covid-symptoms

Find an 'advocate' who is willing to represent the group.

Go from there.

rfour1985

Thank you both for your help and sorry for the late reply, with the pain meds that I'm on I can fall asleep at the drop of a hat so sometimes I can be asleep for a very long time. This is the main reason I can't work from home at a computer as I could fall asleep whilst working which can be annoying.

2oldcodgers

I am confused. Surely the taking of any medication is always a risk that you just accept. It's sad that some have complications but isn't that the same with all medications and surgery?
I don't seem to remember the government or the manufacturer quoting that the medication is 100% safe - or am I wrong and they did?

chiarieds

Hi @rfour1985 - may I also say I'm sorry to read how you have been affected.

Obviously I can't speak for Scope, & was sceptical when people first started reporting SIRVA (shoulder injury related to vaccine administration) following vaccinations to protect against Covid-19 (altho it had been found following other vaccinations, nothing published initially re: the Covid vaccines).

However this community was one where such a discussion was allowed, noting it was due to due to maladministration of the vaccine, but not the vaccine itself. I hope this will continue to be a safe platform to also be able to discuss complications due to the vaccine itself, tho, as far as I'm aware, you're the first to mention it. I will be sorry indeed if there are others suffering as you do, but, & why I mentioned SIRVA, was that other sufferers joined & discussed things on here due to the first person mentioning this, & not just from the UK, as they'd found they could talk about it here.

The difficulty with any problems due to the Covid vaccines will possibly be in the delay it may take for the medical community to recognise this possibility, have a large enough group of patients to study, do research, which needs to be peer reviewed, etc., which all takes considerable time.

My problems are totally different to yours, but when I found my disorder was likely associated with another disorder (coincidently at the same time as a USA Dr, who then kept me in the loop), it only took 9 years (with his help) to raise awareness of this in the UK, in part because he & his colleagues wanted to do a large retrospective study (it ended up just over 2800 patients) to ensure it was taken seriously by the medical establishment in general; in part because no-one in the UK believed this association could possibly exist!

I appreciate the need to find out more for yourself & family, & I wish you well, & good for you for fighting as I know how hard it can be.

chiarieds

2oldcodgers said:

I am confused. Surely the taking of any medication is always a risk that you just accept. It's sad that some have complications but isn't that the same with all medications and surgery?
I don't seem to remember the government or the manufacturer quoting that the medication is 100% safe - or am I wrong and they did?

Why any confusion? There are not always side-effects, other than minor ones, with medication, & altho there can be complications with any surgery, these are comparitively rare. Medications & surgery are however completely different to vaccinations for Covid-19. With surgery the GP/consultant will discuss the known complications with their patient, & they then give an informed consent to proceeding with these; with medications, if a Dr doesn't discuss these, a patient leaflet is included mentioning whether a side effect is minor, when to consult a Dr, etc.

The Covid-19 pandemic, I think was managed the best way any government could have done, tho it's easy to say in retrospect that some things could have been done better. The vaccine roll out undoubtably saved countless lives, & the OP had vaccinations as a key worker in order to protect others.

How could a person accept any risk when these were comparitively unknown? People had the vaccines to not only protect themselves, but their loved ones, & help other people in general, hopefully lessening the potential impact of Covid-19.

2oldcodgers

chiarieds said:
How could a person accept any risk when these were comparitively unknown? People had the vaccines to not only protect themselves, but their loved ones, & help other people in general, hopefully lessening the potential impact of Covid-19.

Unknown or not as far as I can recall nobody said that the vaccine was 100% safe. So with that advice along with the contents of the leaflet that you were given was it better to have the jab or not - everyone had the choice. I have had 4 jabs and readily accept that if my health deteriorates because of the medication then I am content in knowing that I took the medication voluntarily with any and all risks that may well happen.
I only have myself to blame if things go wrong.

Much like if I walk down a street under scaffolding and by chance something falls down accidentally and puts me in hospital who is at fault?

rfour1985

Hi @chiarieds thank you for that information, and I'm sorry to hear it took so long to get it recognised.

I didn't post wanting to cause any arguements, just wanted to see if there were others like me out there.

It's been a hard time this last year as going from being fully able and constantly active to being stuck in my house most of the time was a big blow to me and the frustration of not being able to get my body working like it used to.

I had my final clinical test to find out why my blood pressure is hypertensive today which was a renal vascular scan and it came back all clear. Which was a relief that my kidneys are fine but a massive blow as well. As there is now no documented condition that has caused it. So I'm left in limbo now and the risk of more heart attacks is high. On the plus side there may be a new disease named after me lol. You have to laugh or else it can be bleak.

I will be going to a few groups that have been mentioned to me and see where it goes as I just can't wallow at home.

Thank you everyone and keep safe.

chiarieds

I'm not disputing that everyone had a choice to accept the Covid-19 vaccines, or not. I've always personally been pro vaccine. However, you're mentioning risk.

There's a difference between medication & vaccines, from route of administration, to actual content.

With most medications that people take, any side -effects from minor to major are known. The same is true for surgical procedures. Both are with the medical profession prescribing/advising & due to their prior knowledge.

With the needed fast roll out of the vaccines, the scientists are still learning, which is why some vaccines are no longer used in some age groups, whilst some are more specific to some in the older age group, etc.

The only known risk from the vaccine itself was in the very few reported cases of serious adverse effects & even rarer deaths (which often were considered attributable to an underlying health condition), & that only as the vaccination programme then progressed.

So, no, potential serious adverse risks were not initially generally known.

chiarieds

Please don't let one person's comments put you off as they've been causing discord on several threads. Everyone else I'm sure you'll find is both friendly & supportive.

I replied to him as I have some medical understanding due to being a (long-retired) physio.

Your positivity in light of all you've gone through does you credit, & I hope you'll also keep an eye on this forum to see if anyone else joins with similar problems ( I was surprised how many joined with SIRVA problems as you can see here): https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/79550/does-anyone-have-any-experience-with-shoulder-injury-relating-to-vaccine-administration-sirva/p1

Would always be good to see how you're getting on, so hope you stay in touch regardless, or have a rant here anytime! My best wishes.

P.S. the latest update of the govt's Green book about Covid-19 Chapter 14a (March 2023) in case it helps in any way: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1141541/Greenbook-chapter-14a-9March2023.pdf