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Pip change in circumstances

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Woodcock21
Woodcock21 Community member Posts: 48 Connected
Just received forms for a change in circumstances of pip. 

As hubby has gone from Mobile to non mobile as he can't wear his prosthetic leg. Could be short term could be long. 

He's panicing now that he'll get pip took off him. On lowest living component. Only got awarded it last year after loosing his leg 42 yrs ago. 

He's been given a wheelchair to keep from NHS and his only mode of getting around at the moment. 

Hoping he'll get a new leg in the next couple of  months, but who knows. 

He's been unable to work, as he has to be mobile. 

Thoughts please ?

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  • nasturtium
    nasturtium Community member Posts: 376 Pioneering
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    Hello Woodcock21
    I have noticed that in August 2022 a MR letter was sent of for your husband. Did his award stay the same and did you take it to tribunal?
    How to challenge a PIP award that has been reduced at Review https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/696285#Comment_696285
  • nasturtium
    nasturtium Community member Posts: 376 Pioneering
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    Just to add because you have requested a "change in curcuimstance" and you now have the forms you need to fill the forms in as though they are a new claim. You need to be detailed about what help your husband needs with the 12 PIP activities that applies to him.
    You need to explain in detail why he cannot complete the 12 activities Reliably  see link https://pipinfo.net/issues/reliably
    If there is not enough room on the form for your husbands detailed evidence then you can type out your evidence on word processor then print it out and number each additional sheet (example "Additional sheets Page 2 of 10") then quote that additional sheel on your form. Make sure you include the activity and the activity question on each additional sheet and also add your husbands name, date of birth and national insurance number on all added sheets and copies of medical evidence you include.
    I have done a detailed reply that you might find useful including links to further information with regards to filling in the form. https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/680205/#Comment_680205
    I hope this has been of some help.
    Nasturtium

    How to challenge a PIP award that has been reduced at Review https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/696285#Comment_696285
  • Woodcock21
    Woodcock21 Community member Posts: 48 Connected
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    His award stayed the same after MR. Lower living component.

    But since Xmas he's declined and now is in a wheelchair. . Things have changed. 

    The forms he's been sent have very little space, different to original ones . 

    Thanks for the links
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 57,225 Disability Gamechanger
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    Add extra sheets of paper to include all the information needed. Please also be aware that the changes need to expect to least for at least a further 9 months.
    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
    If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
  • Woodcock21
    Woodcock21 Community member Posts: 48 Connected
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    Thanks for your replies.

    Funny how all you read on Gov.com & DWP is report report report any changes... But there's no real fact sheet on how when what???

    We searched for info on the process , all you find is call pip & report. So we did. 

    Then I remembered this group.

    Can't say how he'll be like this, but after 42 yrs his leg isn't gonna grow back lol and his mobility is next to zero ATM. 

    Sorry if anyone is upset by others that have messaged.


  • Woodcock21
    Woodcock21 Community member Posts: 48 Connected
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    Update... Hubby has gone down hill since requesting the forms. He's seen a Consultant who's requested tests & on a waiting list to see another. 

    Filling out forms this weekend. 

    On a personal level I'm struggling, trying to be positive for him is hard. 
  • L_Volunteer
    L_Volunteer Community Volunteer Adviser, Scope Member Posts: 7,981 Disability Gamechanger
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    It sounds like a really difficult time for both of you at the moment @Woodcock21. You are doing so well reaching out to us and keeping us in the loop with how things are for both of you. 

    Hopefully, the tests will come quickly! Because that will, hopefully, mean answers and the right access to support and treatment etc. 

    Would anything help you at the moment? We are all here for both of you and you do not need to stay positive for us to stand by you  <3
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  • Woodcock21
    Woodcock21 Community member Posts: 48 Connected
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    Had change of circumstances assessment to day for hubby. Came of the phone and realised we had given the wrong dates. 
    She asked if we wanted to add any thing... Was that a trick. 
    We went on well they know that. 
    Could of said he can't walk without excruciating pain ... But we didn't. 

    Now I'm panicking. 
    I've drafted a letter from to send to DWP with copies of sick notes and lasted hospital appointment. 

    Hand of the gods I think. 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 57,225 Disability Gamechanger
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    It's very easy to start to second guess yourself after the assessment. As this was a PIP assessment then fit (sick) notes are not classed as evidence because PIP isn't about your ability to work.
    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
    If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
  • Woodcock21
    Woodcock21 Community member Posts: 48 Connected
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    Yeah true. 

    Intend to send hospital letters to back up diagnosis. 
  • Woodcock21
    Woodcock21 Community member Posts: 48 Connected
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    Oh so many thoughts after the pip meeting. Did we say this , did we say that. 
    Did we stress this or that. 
    Mentioned hubby may have to have more leg amputated. Assessor said so you'll know in a year. Well afterwards .. no we won't . Could be in two months or could be 2 yrs . Hands of the gods. 
    Plus we said gets a new leg ( amputated leg)next week. 
    Now I'm stress he'll have to do this all again in a years time. 

    Oh I hate this system 
  • Hannah_Alumni
    Hannah_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 7,911 Disability Gamechanger
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    @Woodcock21 I'm so sorry you have been so stressed by the process. Do you feel better today? Do you have any hobbies to help keep your mind off it all?
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  • Woodcock21
    Woodcock21 Community member Posts: 48 Connected
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    Thx for reply. Not really. 
  • Hannah_Alumni
    Hannah_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 7,911 Disability Gamechanger
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    Why don't you come and join us in the Coffee Lounge? It's where we play games, have debates, talk about our interests :)
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  • Woodcock21
    Woodcock21 Community member Posts: 48 Connected
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    Update. Hubby has just been award enhanced mobility for the first time ( previously only lower living) + lower living. But only for two years. 

    Honestly after 42 years his amputated leg isn't gonna grow back now. Jokes aside his other leg isn't good now. Hence award. 

    He needs to go to MR over living . where he scored 2 last time , he scored 0 this Time and nothing has changed for that particular component. 

    Those 2 points can make the difference between lower and enhanced. 
    Any tips?
  • Chloe_Scope
    Chloe_Scope Posts: 10,581 Disability Gamechanger
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    Hi @Woodcock21, I've just replied to your other thread. I'm glad to hear they now get enhanced for mobility. Have you already submitted a MR?

    If you do, they will review the whole award (both mobility and daily living) and both components could go up or down.

    To get an award of the daily living component, you need to score:

    • 8 points for the standard rate
    • 12 points for the enhanced rate
    So it looks like 2 points wouldn't have given you an award for daily living. Unless you believe they should have got 8 points (to get the standard rate of daily living) there isn't much point in going for an MR. Especially as it could affect the enhanced mobility component that you've just got.

    I hope this helps. :)
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  • Woodcock21
    Woodcock21 Community member Posts: 48 Connected
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    Hi @Woodcock21, I've just replied to your other thread. I'm glad to hear they now get enhanced for mobility. Have you already submitted a MR?

    If you do, they will review the whole award (both mobility and daily living) and both components could go up or down.

    To get an award of the daily living component, you need to score:

    • 8 points for the standard rate
    • 12 points for the enhanced rate
    So it looks like 2 points wouldn't have given you an award for daily living. Unless you believe they should have got 8 points (to get the standard rate of daily living) there isn't much point in going for an MR. Especially as it could affect the enhanced mobility component that you've just got.

    I hope this helps. :)
    Thanks. He gets 11 daily, 12 mobility. 

    He was awarded 0 on mixing with people this time and 2 last time and nothing has changed. 

    Obviously those 2 points are the difference between lower and enhanced living. 

    Do you think we should go for MR if not just for an explanation why?
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 57,225 Disability Gamechanger
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    It's entirely your decision whether you request the MR. My advice on your other thread was this.

    You will need to request the Mandatory Reconsideration for this. You should put that request in writing stating where and why you think he should have scored those points. 

    If you didn’t give a couple of real world incidents of exactly what happened the last time he attempted this activity when you filled out the form you should do that now. Include detailed information such as where he was, what exactly happened, did anyone see it and what the consequences were. 

    I do not advise you to ring them to request thus. Most MR decisions remain the same. If this happens you can proceed to Tribunal.

    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
    If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
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