PIP Form advice

ncor

Hi,

Just in the process of finishing filling out my pip form. New application as my last award was from tribunal. 

On the additional details page I have wrote that due to the fact that my conditions are lifelong and the severity of them, that I should be awarded an ongoing/10 year award.

I have also said that I feel I should be awarded enhanced on both daily living & mobility as I am receiving now.

Do you think this is okay or is it too forward and maybe a bit cheeky?

 Thanks. 

ITSALLLIES

Count ya points up if it adds to higher then that's ultimately  what you should aim for again.

life

Very forward Indeed 😁

I don't think it will make a difference either way. 

ncor

Just an update.

I did eventually get my pip form sent off, it was received by PIP on the 3rd of July. 

I ended up doing the online form as the paper ones they posted kept getting lost in the post (4 times). I must say the online form is a lot easier, and I would say better understood as I have bad handwriting. I did mention at the end of the form that I believe I should be entitled to enhanced on both daily living and mobility for an ongoing/10 year period. 

I had my assessment 25th July, have received a copy of the assessment report, which recommends 15 points for daily living and 22 for mobility. I felt the assessor took me serious this time and recognised my conditions, even letting my brother answer most of the questions, nonetheless it was still a gruelling experience. 

The assessor has only recommended a review period of 2 years. I know this is not the final decision and I’m hoping the decision maker will extend this award time if I am to be awarded. 

Just thought I’d keep you all updated and thanks for the help and advice. 

Thanks. 

ncor

An update on my claim.

I was awarded enhanced daily living & mobility in August gone by, a 3 year award. 15 points daily living, 22 points mobility (12 for moving around and 10 for planning a journey)

I wasn’t happy with the award length and I put in an MR for the award length only, explaining how my conditions are life long, degenerative and weren’t going to get any better, this was also explained in a few different letters from different specialists for my conditions, which I sent in with my application. I asked for a 10 year/ongoing award. 

The decision was changed on MR, extending the same award by a further 2 years so a 5 year award. Although I am happy, I feel I should be awarded a 10 year/ongoing award. The reasons they gave for not giving an ongoing award we’re quite vague, along the lines of we agree that your conditions are significant and long standing but we agree with the assessor that your needs may change. Will post a picture of the exact reasons below. 

What I wanted advice on, do you think this is the DWP backing down, hoping I won’t go to appeal for the 10 year/ongoing award? Do you think I have a good chance of getting the correct award length of I appeal to the tribunal, or would it be too risky, where they might take away some/all of my award? 

Sorry for the long post and questions, just a bit anxious about it all. 

Any advice would be much appreciated.

chiarieds

Just my impression, but I feel the decision maker has 'justified' their decision not to give an ongoing award because you're under the care of physio, MSK team, etc. They are therefore, I think, presuming that you may improve with such input.

Looking back, it's ironic that you didn't get a much longer award at your last tribunal because you 'didn't have any specialist input.'

It's obviously up to you, but all I can say is, you've done it before, & so long as you again make clear that you're only appealing the length of your award, then perhaps worth trying, again quoting CPIP/1057/2018

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5c6e86fc40f0b647ac8db29c/CPIP_1057_2018-00.pdf

As you likely know, then if there's any chance that the tribunal would lower your current award in terms of its length, then you'd be warned beforehand.

woollywonder

ncor said:

An update on my claim.

I was awarded enhanced daily living & mobility in August gone by, a 3 year award. 15 points daily living, 22 points mobility (12 for moving around and 10 for planning a journey)

I wasn’t happy with the award length and I put in an MR for the award length only, explaining how my conditions are life long, degenerative and weren’t going to get any better, this was also explained in a few different letters from different specialists for my conditions, which I sent in with my application. I asked for a 10 year/ongoing award. 

The decision was changed on MR, extending the same award by a further 2 years so a 5 year award. Although I am happy, I feel I should be awarded a 10 year/ongoing award. The reasons they gave for not giving an ongoing award we’re quite vague, along the lines of we agree that your conditions are significant and long standing but we agree with the assessor that your needs may change. Will post a picture of the exact reasons below. 

What I wanted advice on, do you think this is the DWP backing down, hoping I won’t go to appeal for the 10 year/ongoing award? Do you think I have a good chance of getting the correct award length of I appeal to the tribunal, or would it be too risky, where they might take away some/all of my award? 

Sorry for the long post and questions, just a bit anxious about it all. 

Any advice would be much appreciated.

My thoughts are, that even with an ongoing/10 year award, you could still be sent a review at any time. It isn't unreasonable to  think that with the input from various therapeutic services there *may* be an improvement . This doesn't necessarily mean that they think your health conditions will improve per se - but that your functionality/amount of help you need with the descriptors might change.

Ultimately, there's nothing really to lose by filing an appeal as your award will stay in payment meanwhile.....and I can empathise with your feelings about this as someone with a lifelong degenerative condition myself! Personally, I would probably not poke the hornets nest. But it is your decision, and you must be the one to be happy with what you decide

ncor

Hi,

Sorry for the delay in replying, haven’t been great lately. 

Thanks for the advice.

I understand what they say about my needs may change, but I’ve had my conditions for over 10 years and have seen every specialist I can think of, who know I can’t be cured but try and help me to manage my conditions. 

I am thinking heavily of appealing, as I have feel DWP have recognised that my conditions are long standing, and they have backed down a bit by extending my award to 5 years, possibly in the hope that I wouldn’t go for tribunal, where I feel I would be awarded the correct length of award.

I just wanted to ask, do I have anything to lose? If I appeal to tribunal, can my award be reduced/taken off my altogether?

Also, how long do I have to appeal the mandatory reconsideration? Is it a month?

Quite anxious about the situation.

 Thanks. 

poppy123456

You have 13 months to request the MR. If you’re outside the 1 month timeframe then you must give a reason why you didn’t request it within the first month.

You must also make sure you make it clear then you’re challenging the length of the award only!!! 

You must also tell them why you think you should have a 10 year award and what evidence you have to support that.

At MR stage the most likely outcome will be the decision remains the same. At Tribunal you’re only appealing the length of the award so there shouldn’t be any risks. 

Even if there was, they would warn you before removing any points anyway. 

ncor

Thanks Poppy.

This would be appealing the mandatory reconsideration decision, as DWP already changed the award length from 3 years to 5 years after MR.

So this would be appealing now directly to tribunal if I’m correct? 

What do you think my chances are, after DWP already gave an extra 2 years on first appeal? 

So I wouldn’t have anything to lose by appealing now to tribunal?

 Thanks. 

poppy123456

Yes it would be the Tribunal. I’m afraid I can’t possibly predict what their decision could be. 

ncor

Hi,

Just and update, and asking for a bit more advice please.

I have appealed the award length to HMCTS, I done this a few days ago, just a quick submission online, briefly stating that I am appealing the award length and why. DWP have until 28th December to reply (which I know doesn’t always happen).

I have now written a full submission, am I best to send this now or wait till DWP reply? 

Also, would it be okay to post my appeal submission here, so I can be given advice to whether I need to add anything or whether I have written too much?

 Thanks. 

ncor

Hi,

Just an update.

After appealing to HMCTS In regards to the length of my award in November, I am very happy to say that DWP cancelled the appeal and have awarded me for 10 years, enhanced on both. Finally I got the award I wanted, I’m over the moon! 

They didn’t even ring, just sent a letter out to me. They made their decision on the 12th of January. 

I sent in the appeal submission detailing why I should be given a 10 year award, also I sent in a page from the PIP Assessment criteria, regarding the length of awards and highlighted parts that I feel applied to my claim. 

I am in my late 20s, so you don’t have to be at an older age to get a longer length of award. 

Thanks everyone for the advice, all I can say is fight for what you believe you should be awarded, as the saying goes, ‘if you don’t ask, you won’t get’.

chiarieds

Hi @ncor - thank you so much for your update. I'm absolutely delighted that the DWP did in the end give you a 10 year award. Huge congratulations for persisting.

Rosie_Scope

Fantastic @ncor! Glad you got the award you were looking for. It's always nice to read about a positive outcome. Well done for sticking with it

ncor

Thanks everyone. 

@Nashota if you feel you should be given a longer award, you should go for it, please read the above and have a read through these links as there is some really useful Information given, from other members who gave very invaluable advice that helped me a lot:

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/82842/id-like-to-dispute-the-award-length-only-how-long-do-i-have-to-do-this#latest


https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/114222/pip-appealing-length-of-award#latest

Keep us updated with the outcome and good luck.