P.i.P

Paul66

After being on D.L.A for 25years and told it was for life i was then transfered to P.i.P which ment i was taken off highrate mobility where i always traded for a motability car and like many put on a lower rate obviously to safe money and so left me very restricted ,i have appealed but again i was turned down,i have a few ailments which include
Psoratic arthritis
Ashma
Hypertention
Prostate problems
Double curvature of the spine
Mental health ( after seeing my mum burnt alive)
Can anyone please help and advise what path to take next
Many thanks.......Paul

chiarieds

Hi @Paul66 - & welcome to the community. I'm sorry you're having some difficulty with your PIP claim. Unfortunately the success rate of Mandatory Reconsiderations is very low, & the majority of decisions are left unchanged. However, should you next appeal to a tribunal, then the success rate for those for PIP is currently 68%.

Do say if you have any further questions.

2oldcodgers

Paul66 said:

After being on D.L.A for 25years and told it was for life i was then transfered to P.i.P which ment i was taken off highrate mobility where i always traded for a motability car and like many put on a lower rate obviously to safe money and so left me very restricted ,i have appealed but again i was turned down,i have a few ailments which include
Psoratic arthritis
Ashma
Hypertention
Prostate problems
Double curvature of the spine
Mental health ( after seeing my mum burnt alive)
Can anyone please help and advise what path to take next
Many thanks.......Paul

What I would add is that the High Rate Mobility element of DLA only needed that you could not walk more than 50 meters. With the PIP Enhanced Mobility element that figure was reduced down to 20 meters.

As an example if you could only walk say 40 meters when you had your DLA award  you would have been able to get a Motability car. Being able to walk that distance for PIP you would not be able to get a Motability car as you have the ability to walk 20 meters beyond the new limit.
  

Paul66

Im in constant pain i struggle to get up or down my stairs why give me a letter saying for life then take it away????

poppy123456

PIP replaced DLA for those that were born after 9th April 1948. As you claimed PIP the DLA ends once a decision is made on your PIP. 

Unfortunately walking up and down the stairs isn’t considered for the moving around part of mobility PIP. 

Jimm_Alumni

Hi @Paul66, I'm sorry you're going through this. It can be really difficult when something you've been relying on looks like it will be, or already has been, taken away. 

Can I just clarify what part of the process you are on? You mentioned you appealed, was this a Mandatory Reconsideration of the decision? Just so we know what advice to give you.

I will say, I find it odd the change from DLA to PIP. What can someone walking only 40 meters do that someone only walking 20 meters cannot? It seems quite horribly arbitrary, and to have the option of a car taken away from you because you can walk an extra 10-20 meters.

I know the line has to be drawn somewhere but it feels frustrating if someone who can only walk 20.1 meters is denied something that someone who can walk just 20 centimetres less gets.

Paul66

Thankyou jim it is very frustrating being assessed by a pen pusher who knows nothing about my illness,i know someone who gets the high rate of everything yet does pub crawls walks around the city and had 6 holidays abroard and then brags about it to anyone who will listen it just seems a very unfair system..........Paul

chiarieds

As 2oldcodgers mentioned, the goalposts were moved looking at DLA then PIP with the distances looked at. I also had an indefinite award with DLA, then had to move to PIP. I suppose I thought like many that I would get a similar award, which was not the case, tho thankfully this changed with my Mandatory Reconsideration.

I'm sure you're more than distressed  @Paul66 but it's best, in my humble opinion not to compare your situation to another's, & that does not make the system unfair, tho it can nonetheless be difficult to understand, & PIP is different to DLA.

If you have been unsuccessful with a Mandatory Reconsideration, then I'd suggest seeing if you can get some help near you. Please try this link: https://advicelocal.uk/  putting 'Welfare Rights' in the drop down menu. Hopefully there's a Welfare Rights Office that will help you with a tribunal (or another organisation).

poppy123456

Paul66 said:

Thankyou jim it is very frustrating being assessed by a pen pusher who knows nothing about my illness,i know someone who gets the high rate of everything yet does pub crawls walks around the city and had 6 holidays abroard and then brags about it to anyone who will listen it just seems a very unfair system..........Paul

Please don't compare yourself to others because it's really not good to do that. Just because a person claims Enhanced rates for both parts doesn't mean they have to spend everyday in bed. People can still have a life. There's such a thing as invisible conditions so a person can look fine on the outside but it maybe a whole different story on the inside.

Very few people claim PIP fraudulently.

Jimm_Alumni

I agree with what Chia and Poppy have said. Comparing yourself to others can be very unhealthy and cause you to direct your frustration on the wrong people. They are getting what they are entitled to, you are not getting what you are entitled to, and that isn't their fault. 

Hopefully we can help start you on the path to getting what you are entitled to, I would advise following the link Chiarieds gave https://advicelocal.uk/. With a benefits adviser at your side you will hopefully have a good outcome on your appeal.