PIP refused after Review!

sticks72

Hello everyone,
I am absolutely at my wits end!
I have just had a letter saying, after review my pip cannot be awarded any more!
please can someone advise me how to go on further please to try and get this decision upturned!
it is an absolute joke! But no one here is laughing. 

Thankyou   

sticks72

Thank you for your reply. 

I’ll be getting on with that! 👍

Jimm_Alumni

Hey @sticks72, really sorry to hear your review did not go well. As woodbine says an MR is your first next step, Citizen's Advice has a good page about how to start your MR.

Good luck, let us know how you get on! Remember after MR there are further appeal stages so even if it comes back with the same response it's not over.

sticks72

Thanks for your reply, I went on The advice now site where you can answer the questions on the parts of the report I failed on and it generates a letter to send for the MR, which I have done in a lot of detail. 

I feel that the assessor in the video review didn’t translate everything I said positively, it sounded contradictory. 

My notes said I was passed to carry on receiving my pip but after getting the assessment report they changed their mind.
 I will of course let you guys know how I get on. 

I’ll be battening down the hatches for the long haul I guess. 

sticks72

I have been reading that after the MR has been refused and people have take. Their claim to tribunal. 

The DWP are calling out of the blue to discuss the tribunal catching g people off guard, basically using dirty tricks. 

I have also read that because I have sent a letter for the MR instead of calling or filling out the form, explaining everything g that I disagree with I can therefore tell the caller if indeed I get one to refer to the MR for every question. 

Does that sound ok? 

MW123

Hello sticks 72

If you should receive such a call, do not engage with the caller other than to  kindly state your preference for written communication to maintain transparency in this matter. Then, bid the caller a good morning or good afternoon and terminate the call. 

nasturtium

Hello Sticks72

Sorry to hear that you have been refused PIP at your review.

The dscision maker needed to give detailed resons on why they think your condition/s have improved to warrant your award to be reduced or to be removed. If they have not given details on how your condition has improved meaning that you can complete all of the activities safely, repeatedly, in a timely manor and to an acceptable standard then they should have not reduced your award.

I give advice on this reply here to another member of this forum that you might find helpful if your MR is not successful and you need to go to appeal which is highly reccommended. Here is the link https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/696285#Comment_696285

Hope that helps

Nasturtium

sticks72

That really helps! Thanks very much 👍

poppy123456

sticks72 said:

I have been reading that after the MR has been refused and people have take. Their claim to tribunal. 

The DWP are calling out of the blue to discuss the tribunal catching g people off guard, basically using dirty tricks. 

It has been known for DWP to ring with an offer before the hearing but it's rare they do this. If they do ring you then usually they will either offer you a lower award or a short award, they rarely get the offer correct.

As you have no PIP award if they do ring you can accept the offer just to get something in payment, accepting an offer will lapse any current appeal. 

Once the award is in payment you can then request another Tribunal but doing this your waiting time starts all over again.

sticks72

Thanks, Poppy, I will update when I hear anything, MR sent today! 

sticks72

Hi Guys,
just a little update. 

I sent off my MR last week, I haven’t bothered asking for the assessors report because in my mind I think it’s just a load of tosh what she wrote anyway. 

I basically went off the DWP report I got back denying me further pip. 

I received a text today a week later, you’ve asked us to look at our decision again and we will write to you within 8 weeks. 

Nice of them to let me know. 

I’m ready to take this all the way! 

I will report back when I have further updates! 

Jimm_Alumni

Thanks for updating us @sticks72, good luck with the MR. Though the success rate isn't very high that doesn't mean you'll get a rejection. Of course if you do get a rejection then the tribunal awaits! 

We'll be here for any questions you have, or even if you just want to chat sometimes. The waiting can be tough I know!

sticks72

Thankyou for your continued support!
much appreciated. 

sticks72

Hi guys, just a quick update. 

Had my letter today with the result of my MR. 

It was unsuccessful as I thought. 

Tribunal time now!
Any recommendations or advice would be very welcome. 

I will be referring to website searches initially, thanks in advance for any further help. 

Sticks! 

woollywonder

sticks72 said:

Hi guys, just a quick update. 

Had my letter today with the result of my MR. 

It was unsuccessful as I thought. 

Tribunal time now!
Any recommendations or advice would be very welcome. 

I will be referring to website searches initially, thanks in advance for any further help. 

Sticks! 

I'm sorry your MR was unsuccessful! I'm just finalising my own, due to my first time claim falling short of an award by 2 points.

Don't think I'll be holding my breath for a positive result. Having said that they have gone against their own published guidelines with some of the reasoning so I'm highlighting that alongside giving further examples of why I think I should have had the extra points. I expect I'll be heading for tribunal myself by the new year . Wishing you the very best with it

sticks72

Thanks very much and sorry to hear your predicament too. 

It just doesn’t seem fair to be put through all this distress. 

Chins up tho! 

All the very best! 

Leigh14

Hi @sticks72, did they give reasons why your award was removed following your review? 

Am asking as I’ve recently done the review paper, and keep reading how awards were stopped after reviews. Getting rather worried.

sticks72

Hi, refused my MR for the same reasons they refused my PIP after assessment. 

poppy123456

sticks72 said:

Hi, refused my MR for the same reasons they refused my PIP after assessment. 

Thats not unusual because most of the time it will be a copy and paste of the original decision. 

sticks72

Hi Poppy,
that looks to be exactly what it is. 

First job is to get a copy of the assessment, then get the wheels rolling! 

poppy123456

You’re at Tribunal stage so you definitely don’t need the assessment report. All it causes is a distraction anyway and concentrating on that will not get you a PIP award.

You will eventually receive the report and everything else in the “bundle”