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Moonlady
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This is regarding advice about a MR for PIP
First time applying for my partner, although the telephone assessment didn't go as well I had hoped. We had an award letter for standard on both parts, which I am pleased about as such
We have phoned for the pa4 to come through the post and am waiting for that to see what the report is
He scored 11 for daily living (this is to me totally correct and fair)
And 10 for mobility
Now looking at the award letter he was given Zero points on planning and following a journey. My partner will not go out on his own and has to have someone with him at all times, due to his nerves/anxiety and mobility. Also he is nervous about having another heart attack if he did go out alone , so he doesn't.He only goes to hospital appointments by hospital transport /or GP appointments in a taxi with myself and that really is it at the moment
Although I shall wait for the report, if we only disagreed with that section which is mobility Planning and following a journey, do we just state that is the only thing we want to dispute.
I am aware they may look at the whole claim again, and reduce it or stay the same
Many thanks
First time applying for my partner, although the telephone assessment didn't go as well I had hoped. We had an award letter for standard on both parts, which I am pleased about as such
We have phoned for the pa4 to come through the post and am waiting for that to see what the report is
He scored 11 for daily living (this is to me totally correct and fair)
And 10 for mobility
Now looking at the award letter he was given Zero points on planning and following a journey. My partner will not go out on his own and has to have someone with him at all times, due to his nerves/anxiety and mobility. Also he is nervous about having another heart attack if he did go out alone , so he doesn't.He only goes to hospital appointments by hospital transport /or GP appointments in a taxi with myself and that really is it at the moment
Although I shall wait for the report, if we only disagreed with that section which is mobility Planning and following a journey, do we just state that is the only thing we want to dispute.
I am aware they may look at the whole claim again, and reduce it or stay the same
Many thanks
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Heya @Moonlady a MR would indeed be for both sections unfortunately. But it will give you a chance to show how your husbands issues affect each of the descriptors for mobility.
We're all about if you need help with any of it.Albus (he/him)
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Following and planning a journey doesn't include walking or difficulties walking due to being out of breath.Whether he's entitled to any points for following and planning a journey will depend on the exact reasons why he's unable to plan the route of a journey. This may help.https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-assessment-guide-for-assessment-providers/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-the-assessment-criteria#mobility-activities
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Hi again @Moonlady - in some ways this sounds quite encouraging as all 10 points were for the moving around section, & you still have the other mobility descriptor. As Albus says, another decision maker will look at everything again, which isn't always a bad thing. Speaking personally I was in a very similar situation with my initial decision letter having 10 points for each component. Following a MR I got 11 points for daily living & 12 for mobility (all for the moving around section). Like yourself I was perfectly happy with the daily living component, but got an extra point. So, I wouldn't say that your happy with the daily living component, just in case!You should, as you've worked out, concentrate on the 'planning & following a journey' descriptor, & only need 4 points for this section to get enhanced mobility for your partner. You need to leave his physical problems out of this, as it's his mental health that's relevant here, such that he needs to be accompanied if going due to his anxiety. Now try to give a couple of examples as to what has happened when he has attempted to go out on his own, or how much prompting you need to give him (if appropriate) to go out if accompanied. You need to say exactly why he won't go out accompanied, what happens, when did this happen (thinking around the time of his assessment), & were there any consequences attempting to do this. How does going out exactly make him feel; how is he when he gets back home, does going out increase his stress, etc?You can see the points for this descriptor here: https://pipinfo.net/activities/planning-and-following-journeysRemember to say how often this occurs; does he only go out for appointments, or could he go out most days, if not, why? as PIP is how you are the majority of the time. Could he use public transport, if not, why? It's valid to say he has concerns about going out on his own in case of another heart attack.
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Albus_Scope said:Heya @Moonlady a MR would indeed be for both sections unfortunately. But it will give you a chance to show how your husbands issues affect each of the descriptors for mobility.
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poppy123456 said:Following and planning a journey doesn't include walking or difficulties walking due to being out of breath.Whether he's entitled to any points for following and planning a journey will depend on the exact reasons why he's unable to plan the route of a journey. This may help.https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-assessment-guide-for-assessment-providers/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-the-assessment-criteria#mobility-activities
Its not just about him having difficulty walking/breathlessness its actually going out the of the house itself alone.
We have had to cancel appointments as he just feels panicky as well even with me on hospital transport etc
I will have a good read of the info, thanks a lot.
Again much appreciated
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chiarieds said:Hi again @Moonlady - in some ways this sounds quite encouraging as all 10 points were for the moving around section, & you still have the other mobility descriptor. As Albus says, another decision maker will look at everything again, which isn't always a bad thing. Speaking personally I was in a very similar situation with my initial decision letter having 10 points for each component. Following a MR I got 11 points for daily living & 12 for mobility (all for the moving around section). Like yourself I was perfectly happy with the daily living component, but got an extra point. So, I wouldn't say that your happy with the daily living component, just in case!You should, as you've worked out, concentrate on the 'planning & following a journey' descriptor, & only need 4 points for this section to get enhanced mobility for your partner. You need to leave his physical problems out of this, as it's his mental health that's relevant here, such that he needs to be accompanied if going due to his anxiety. Now try to give a couple of examples as to what has happened when he has attempted to go out on his own, or how much prompting you need to give him (if appropriate) to go out if accompanied. You need to say exactly why he won't go out accompanied, what happens, when did this happen (thinking around the time of his assessment), & were there any consequences attempting to do this. How does going out exactly make him feel; how is he when he gets back home, does going out increase his stress, etc?You can see the points for this descriptor here: https://pipinfo.net/activities/planning-and-following-journeysRemember to say how often this occurs; does he only go out for appointments, or could he go out most days, if not, why? as PIP is how you are the majority of the time. Could he use public transport, if not, why? It's valid to say he has concerns about going out on his own in case of another heart attack.
Thanks for your post. Also to explain your own scenario as I remember you said you had a MR. Yes I will not say I am happy about the daily living award
Again thanks for al your information. Its funny I have just looked back at the form and I put "Never goes out alone due to anxiety and needs someone with me when I leave the house".....someone needs to calm me etc" and I explained why etc. That also he is afraid of having another heart attack and no one would be able to help him quickly get his spray or call an ambulance etc. As I said I think they do not read the form sometimes.
I appreciate the link, I will have a look after the weekend. I'm all PIP'd out
When I do the MR should I use the official MR form CRMR1 ? Also just to clarify it would be ok to just to put information about the one area we are not happy with the Planning and following a journey
Again thanks for your help and links given
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You can use the form, or write a letter; I chose the latter, but either are absolutely fine. I'd write something along the lines of, 'I would like you to look at my PIP decision again.' Then you can just write about the planning a journey descriptor, unless you think his mobility needs also should be looked at again.Do concentrate on his decision letter rather than the assessor's report.If you do a letter remember to put his name & National Insurance number on each page, & get a free 'Certificate of Posting' from your Post Office when sending a form/letter off.
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chiarieds said:You can use the form, or write a letter; I chose the latter, but either are absolutely fine. I'd write something along the lines of, 'I would like you to look at my PIP decision again.' Then you can just write about the planning a journey descriptor, unless you think his mobility needs also should be looked at again.Do concentrate on his decision letter rather than the assessor's report.If you do a letter remember to put his name & National Insurance number on each page, & get a free 'Certificate of Posting' from your Post Office when sending a form/letter off.
Thanks for the advice about how to start it etc. I think I am happy about the mobility needs section
Also thanks for the tips on concentrating on the Decision letter rather than the phone assessors report
Again much appreciated and have a nice weekend x
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Thank you, & you're welcome. Hope you have a good weekend too, then onwards & upwards with your partner's MR....you are so close to hopefully getting enhanced mobility before he reaches State Pension age, so I'm so pleased you're going for this.With the assessor's report, unless there are one or 2 irrefutable errors, you really need to just concentrate on his decision letter; I do wonder how many perceived 'inaccuracies' would be 'irrefutable?' You'll see perhaps 'cut & paste' responses, which may bear little relation to your partners problems with 'following & planning a journey,' but concentrating on these will not get him an enhanced mobility award, just give as detailed examples as you can as to the difficulties he faces.
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chiarieds said:Thank you, & you're welcome. Hope you have a good weekend too, then onwards & upwards with your partner's MR....you are so close to hopefully getting enhanced mobility before he reaches State Pension age, so I'm so pleased you're going for this.With the assessor's report, unless there are one or 2 irrefutable errors, you really need to just concentrate on his decision letter; I do wonder how many perceived 'inaccuracies' would be 'irrefutable?' You'll see perhaps 'cut & paste' responses, which may bear little relation to your partners problems with 'following & planning a journey,' but concentrating on these will not get him an enhanced mobility award, just give as detailed examples as you can as to the difficulties he faces.
I think it maybe worth a go at the MR, funny as we thought that would have been where he would have the most points
I agree about the copy-and-paste answers. I remember as he had it on speakerphone (just about inaccuracies )she asked him if he saw and spoke to our neighbours, Which he definitely said no he does not see them or engage with them at all. And on the decision letter it said he did.....I know it is irrelevant at this point. But just as an example. But totally agree do not pick up on the stuff you do not agree and will not earn your you the points
Thank you
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Good luck with your MR. Do let us know how you get on! We're always here to come back to for more questionsThey/Them, however they are no wrong pronouns with me so whatever you feel most comfortable with
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